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Pet_Sounds · 02-08-2015, 08:28 PM

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~~John Wilkes Booth~~ · 02-08-2015, 09:58 PM

a game of chess is won based on the rare event of a checkmate thus luck determines who wins

Ninetales · 02-08-2015, 10:07 PM

the amount of events that occur in most sports is much higher than in a game of chess

im obviously not saying skill means nothing but luck exists in sports.

~~John Wilkes Booth~~ · 02-08-2015, 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Ninetales

the amount of events that occur in most sports is much higher than in a game of chess

im obviously not saying skill means nothing but luck exists in sports.

luck exists in everything. i'm just saying skill means a lot more.

Ninetales · 02-08-2015, 10:32 PM

I don't know what the numbers are in football/chess but Ive seen studies on hockey in which luck is almost just as important over an entire 82 game season than skill. id assume randomness is more prevalent in hockey than football and certainly chess tho. still I think its a facet that people have a tendency to attribute to skill anyway ("you have to be good to be lucky").

~~John Wilkes Booth~~ · 02-08-2015, 11:00 PM

the scoring in hockey/soccer is much more random than in say football or baseball. those sports allow for more incremental progress and strategy, sort of like chess.

even in hockey i'm assuming skill would be a major factor it's just whatever league the study was done on probably had a relatively standard level of skill throughout its teams... not to say there wasn't variation but say in a pro league or something like that of any sport you will only get people from within a certain skillset. i guarantee if you tried to get a random group of unskilled hockey players to play against an expert team 100 times in a row you wouldn't be looking at the same kind of ratio you would look at if you flipped a coin 100 times.

Ninetales · 02-08-2015, 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by John Wilkes Booth

i guarantee if you tried to get a random group of unskilled hockey players to play against an expert team 100 times in a row you wouldn't be looking at the same kind of ratio you would look at if you flipped a coin 100 times.

oh ok well ya this is absolutely true. I was talking about pro leagues.

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls

Also, statistics can be skewed however you want if you do it right.

What is this luck though? Other than a ball bouncing in some random direction I can't think of a situation where luck is a factor. I don't watch sports so if someone could clue me in that'd be cool.

erm what do you mean stats can be skewed however you want?

the thing is, using hockey as my standard example since I know it the best, a puck going in some random direction is basically the entire game. so tons of these small, seemingly insignificant bounces happen and then eventually result in one goal. wins/losses are actually a very poor measure for predicting future performance in hockey, and goals scored/allowed aren't very good either.

oh and I should also mention that hockey relies heavily on goaltenders, a position in which variance is extremely high. which also makes predicting outcomes even more difficult.

Pet_Sounds · 02-09-2015, 04:08 PM

This person is awesome.

ReadyMadeFour64 · 02-12-2015, 06:36 PM

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DwnWthVwls · 02-08-2015, 11:06 PM

Also, statistics can be skewed however you want if you do it right.

What is this luck though? Other than a ball bouncing in some random direction I can't think of a situation where luck is a factor. I don't watch sports so if someone could clue me in that'd be cool.

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~~John Wilkes Booth~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Jul 2013 Posts: 2,235	a game of chess is won based on the rare event of a checkmate thus luck determines who wins

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Ninetales Music Addict Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: livin wild Posts: 2,179	the amount of events that occur in most sports is much higher than in a game of chess im obviously not saying skill means nothing but luck exists in sports.

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Ninetales Music Addict Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: livin wild Posts: 2,179	I don't know what the numbers are in football/chess but Ive seen studies on hockey in which luck is almost just as important over an entire 82 game season than skill. id assume randomness is more prevalent in hockey than football and certainly chess tho. still I think its a facet that people have a tendency to attribute to skill anyway ("you have to be good to be lucky").

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~~John Wilkes Booth~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Jul 2013 Posts: 2,235	the scoring in hockey/soccer is much more random than in say football or baseball. those sports allow for more incremental progress and strategy, sort of like chess. even in hockey i'm assuming skill would be a major factor it's just whatever league the study was done on probably had a relatively standard level of skill throughout its teams... not to say there wasn't variation but say in a pro league or something like that of any sport you will only get people from within a certain skillset. i guarantee if you tried to get a random group of unskilled hockey players to play against an expert team 100 times in a row you wouldn't be looking at the same kind of ratio you would look at if you flipped a coin 100 times.

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ReadyMadeFour64 Music Addict Join Date: Dec 2014 Posts: 159	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpA_TO8blDE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7kh9p3yi91A Pretty Cool!