I guess, yeah, there's a difference between big and fat.
Also, it's how you dress yourself/how you view yourself.

If you're a size 20 US and you dress in skimpy clothing with your stomach hanging out, that ain't hot. If you know how to dress, and wear something nice for your body, I think it's totally hot.

Also, if you're confident and you want to wear whatever you want to wear, it doesn't matter about everyone else's opinion. Of course, this thread is about opinion, so I guess this aspect of the argument wouldn't be valid.

Regarding the more negative comments, I don't think it's right to insult anyone. If someone doesn't want to BE with you because of how you look, fine. But that's still no reason to call anyone a "disgusting fatty". That's just nasty and unnecessary.

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Goodbye MusicBanter.

I always think women UK size 12-14 adequate not too fat not too skinny. UK size 16 is borderline but I have known some very nice women that were around size 16, size 8 no way far too skinny.

I equate obesity to stupidity, so no. Nothing is more unattractive than an unhealthy person, because it betrays a sense of apathy and unwillingness to maintain themselves. Unless you have a serious medical condition, in which case I understand.

You equate laziness to stupidity as well then?

Yeah but that's not really the question. It's not solely obesity.
Curvy, big, etc. also count.
Fine, obese, like unable to sit in a booth at a restaurant? Unable to ride rides at a theme park? Fine. What about people who aren't obese? What if some people like curves?

I mean, there are cultures that definitely appreciate curves way more than stick thinness. So what about people who are just curvier or big?

And if you see someone "obese" on the street, you can't just tell they have a serious condition. So I don't really know if that even counts. Does that mean if you met someone with a serious condition, that you would be with them because they're not fat due to laziness?

not really, how you spend your time doesn't really define you as a human being so much as your social relationships and the way you treat your body. i don't place value on actions, more so on the way those actions affect your health and your happiness. i'm lazy as shit dude i smoke weed hahah.

my personal preferences aren't really what i was intimating. i truly believe that as a human being you should want to be as healthy as possible, and this notion is completely separate from attraction. in terms of what i go for in bitches i'd say that curves are good but not if the girl is so overweight that i find them repulsive. the same is true for heroin chic girls, because it all stems from having an unhealthy lifestyle. in short; i am more concerned with personality and the actual attraction than the constituents that go into making me attracted to them.

Right on,

Your notion that obese people are less smart just makes me slightly uncomfortable. From an emotional standpoint I actually agree with you, I look at a lot of obese people with contempt. They have been successfully taken advantage of by food corporations, convinced sunny d is an adequate substitute for orange juice or whatever.

But when i think about it more objectively, it seems a lot of it really is genetics. I don't eat healthier or value my body more so than many overweight people, I was just fortunate to inherit a fast metabolism.

Brah I used to chalk it up to this too. And then I started counting calories and realized I didn't eat nearly as much as I thought I did. Lots of obese people just eat and eat, or eat very unhealthy.

But some of it's genetics. Bone structure for example, is entirely genetics and plays a factor in how much 'meat' you carry on your bones. And yes metabolisms do vary.

Also, it makes sense that obesity is generally looked at as unattractive. We associate attractiveness with how healthy an individual is from a survival standpoint. Obese people don't typically live as long, pretty basic stuff.

I would be interested to see anticipation's correlation with intelligence and weight though.

Actually, there is a correlation between IQ & obesity (link), link, etc....

Why some people find this surprising is beyond me; it seems to be a given that idiots, being a group who tend to make bad decisions on a regular basis, would tend to make bad decisions in regards to what to eat on a regular basis.


How are they taken advantage of? We are inundated with information as to what is and isn't healthy. As if that wasn't enough, the majority of processed foods are required to have nutrition facts on the package. It's ridiculously easy to have a healthy BMI. These people are choosing to be unhealthy, and - no - it is not easy to be fat. These people circle parking lots looking for a spot close to the entrance like a shark looking for prey; they weight minutes for an elevator instead of taking the stairs; they eat gigantic portions of food, etc.

This makes a lot of sense and I understand what you mean.
On the other hand, though, I hope you don't really call us "bitches."

Well that certainly makes sense that fat people are less intelligent and tend to make bad nutritious decisions with no regards for their health from that.

What I found most interesting about that was that you get dumber faster the fatter you are (a faster cognitive decline). Fascinating.

I know a really fat guy who's really smart. Does that mean if he was skinnier he would be like Einstein?

I would not draw any conclusions from such anecdotal evidence.

Yeah, that is weird, huh? Hopefully there will be a future study which attempts to distinguish between cognitive decline as a result of lack of stimulation & poor health.

Yeah but they mess around with the information. "high fructose corn syrup" is soon about to be relabeled "high fructose corn sugar" i dont remember why.

The pork association (thats not they're actual name but its something like that) effectively branded pork a "white meat" after media concerns over red meat.

The food pyramid was created as a result of high food prices and needed to advertise cheaper food groups.

I'm not disagreeing with you, just throwing out some points im hoping you will disassemble with real information.

I can also give many instances of fat idiots being fat idiots in my daily life as well.

Sorry, but you talk ****. Are you saying I go out of my way to be fat if it's not easy? Because I can certainly assure you that as much as the skinny bitches I do exercise, swim a lot, use the gym, and eat reasonably. As for your supermarket theory, don't talk gash. I don't have a fast metabolism, which means despite my efforts I stay around the same size all the time. That's like saying I also chose to be tall. It's genetic and enviromental how we all turn out.

I'm so sorry you find my low metabolism (which I have had medication for in the past) so offensive as you sit on your arses smoking weed all day.

I don't know wither to back you up or rip you a new one :D.

I kind of subscribe to the theory let people live their lives. Lots of men are attracted to bigger women. Some of those men find nude photos of bigger women appealing. Let em have their cake.

1) I'm saying you go out of your way to be fat.

2) To lose weight, burn more calories than you take in. Everyone can lose weight following this method.

Big girls, as long as they're pretty, I don't mind. Enormous girls are kind of a turn off though.

That's the cause of it, not the reasons behind it. Or are you going to dismiss all of those possible reasons.

Hey guess what, an alcoholic won't be an alcoholic if you take his booze away.
F*ck me i'm a genius.

You're an idiot. Some people just don't burn calories as fast as other people. Its called metabolism and if you had any shred of sense you'd know that some people just can't change diet and be instantly thinner, they have to exercise and ENFORCE a higher rate of calorie burning, otherwise perfectly reasonable levels of food intake can result in excess weight as their body converts calories efficiently.

How does it make him an idiot when you basically agreed with what he said?

Eating less calories then you burn off will result in weight loss for anyone. It's just a matter of how many calories that certain individual burns off a day. People have two choices: they can choose to eat at a calorie deficit, or they can eat at around maintenance and do some form of calorie burning exercise. Or if they want to combine the two, that'll work as well

Overweight people should figure out how many calories they burn in a day, subtract 300 or so from that, and add in exercise. It's that simple, but people will make excuses all the live long day.

I struggled to gain weight for years, until I applied the exact opposite logic of what I said above, and it works perfectly fine.

The second part of what he said is a factual statement devoid of context, which makes it irrelevant to the idea of "making a point".


The first part of his statement is a ridiculous assumption that doesn't take into account any of the reasoning as to why people might gain weight WITHOUT being overly inactive or having a bad diet, which is eminently possible even when going about normal life, to say nothing of medical conditions that might contribute to the same.

This is a community forum, not the third grade. Take the namecalling to the sandbox, please.

The vast majority of cases have nothing to do with medical conditions. The number of obesity cases has doubled since the 80's.

Obesity has doubled since 1980, major global analysis of risk factors reveals

Yes some people are genetically predisposed to carry more fat than others. This is no excuse.

I was genetically predisposed to carry very little muscle and fat. I said **** it, I'm tired of looking skinny and weak, and I listened to the advice from people who knew what they were talking about and now I'm seeing results. I didn't make excuses that I was cursed with a certain metabolism or body type. It takes a lot of work, and some people would rather moan about what they were given rather than work to what they can achieve.

Or throw them into an area with snow, let them go at it:

http://www.bizarrebytes.com/wp-conte...ball-fight.gif

Psh, I'll just outrun them all.





j/k, don't lynch me.

The rise in overweight people has no bearing on whether HHBH is correct in claiming that people have to be making some grave error in order to BE overweight. It is entirely possible for people to be so. Especially in cases where someone's build is a contributing factor. Last summer, for example, I was in some of the better shape of my life, I was regularly biking 20/30 mile trips and I was going to the gym for HITraining frequently. My BMI still read as overweight because I'm simply not built that way. If I were to suddenly right this second lose weight to be within a "normal" BMI range, I would look gaunt and unhealthy.

Do I have any problem with that? No, not really. I'm still going to go to the gym and ride all I can because thats the right thing to do.


Are most overweight people in a position to do something about it? Absolutely.

Are all of them? Absolutely not. And its nothing to do with freak glandular conditions or irrepressible behaviour. Some people really are just not cut out to fall within the normal boundaries.

Someone post a picture of a girl you consider big like mentioned in OP. Cause otherwise I dont know.

I sense that your overall point is that BMI isn't the end all be all of measurements? I agree, I think a doctor's personal opinion on whether your healthy or not is a better indicator.

Obese is an extreme BMI reading though, and really can't be chalked up to body structure or slow metabolism, or anything else but being unhealthy.

Sure, but the thread is about size 16+, which is way freaking far from Obese.

Based on Google Image results alone (and knowing nothing about women's sizes), I'd say it looks like an unhealthy weight.

Maybe Vanilla could post some picture examples?

WHAT?



This woman is Size 16 UK. There's nothing unhealthy about her whatsoever. Admittedly, she's slightly bigger than my "ideal", but **** it, I'd still have absolutely no issues finding myself going out with her. And I'm a guy who generally really appreciates petite women more than larger women. I'll admit she carries her size 16 well, but even those that DONT carry size 16 well at all are only what I would consider "A little extra", certainly not "unhealthy".

Anyone who considers that to be too large for them probably has an issue with reality. Anyone who thinks that's "unhealthy" needs examining themselves.

Not sure how I have an issue with reality. :confused:

I like to stay in shape. That woman probably weighs almost as much as I do. She has an attractive face but is too big IMO. I would highly doubt she could run a 5k. Also that's a less extreme version of what I saw when I googled size 16. Looks like you chose the most flattering image.