So I just figured out that he's not taking his meds anymore. This is the reason he's been acting like a complete lunatic...because he is one. He's supposed to take them once in the morning and once at night. I had assumed that my parents were waking my brother up because he sleeps until noon every day. They've actually been leaving it on the counter for him to take by himself.

I'm actually a bit mad at my parents but honestly they've been through a lot. It just didn't occur to them that he wouldn't take them.

It explains everything. We actually just made an appointment with a therapist/psychologist for thursday and we're giving him an ultimatum when he gets home tonight. He's either going to take them in front of us or he's going to leave.

And you think letting someone like that do what they like and ruin a family is a good idea? What the **** is wrong with you? :rolleyes:
Anyway, stop getting on your high horse: I'm just giving my advice as I see it. Exo doesn't have to take it, and this thread doesn't need your drama. It's about him, not you.

Aw that's cute, because I have been in that situation and actually know what the **** I'm talking about, I have a high horse.

You tried, bro.

Personally there is only so much help you are able to offer someone like that man. There comes a time when your help is not being taken, when you have no other option but to just let things run their course. you have to decide if what he is doing, his actions, are worth the problems that they may cause in your life personally. It sounds like you have a lot to deal with and brother or not he shouldnt be one of those things. Eventually he will need to hit rock bottom and actually have the desire to take the hand up you offer. untill that point you are wasting your effort. This is coming from someone that understands your situation pretty damn well from personal experiences over the years.

I KNOW you were in that situation. I did read the entire thread. I'm not for a minute suggesting what you did or how you overcame your situation was wrong, or that it couldn't be applied here. Everyone has their own idea of how to approach this and I personally thankfully have never had to deal with this.

What I have an issue with is you telling me I don't know what I'm talking about. I may not, but if this were a situation in which a third party (brother, sister, girlfriend, anyone) was causing disruption to my household, due to this kind of behaviour --- whether controllable or not --- and that person was not prepared to even get any sort of help, with my sister in the delicate position she's in I would have no hesitation in telling them they had to leave. Her health and wellbeing is my first priority. It's the same with Exo and his parents. You can't keep making excuses and accepting this behaviour, ongoing and getting worse as it is.

In any case, all that notwithstanding, my actual issue is that you're now using this very serious thread as a way to snap back at me for saying something you don't agree with. It's a case of you turning the thread into something about you. It's not. Get over it. Disagree with me but don't start sniping at me and if you want to talk to me about this PM me; don't start clogging up the thread with it, because in the final analysis you, me and everyone else here apart from Exo are unimportant, and it's both insulting and selfish to start attacking each other over the different way we see things.

And now I've made a big post that sort of defeats the purpose, but it's the only one I'll make on this. Exo surely doesn't want his thread sidetracked so let's just leave it at that and get back to helping him anyway we can, offering advice. You don't agree with mine, I don't agree with yours. Let's just leave it at that, okay?

I don't give a **** about you, I just care about another person not being made homeless and getting an even worse addiction and doing even worse things to supply that addiction because they took your uninformed and ignorant advice, so **** off.

When you've been homeless, a drug addict, and bipolar then maybe you'll know what you're talking about. If his brother is doing that kinda **** to supply a ****ing POT addiction, imagine if he becomes homeless and gets exposed to all sorts of disgusting things. The worst thing they could do is totally abandon him. He cannot ****ing fend for himself if he's sick like that.

When you get to the point that you can not help them there is nothing left to do without violating there own civil rights etc. The only way to keep someone from doing these types of things at a point like this is to chain them up to something or lock them in a room. Addiction, mental illnesses are all challanging to deal with on both parties but when too much is too much thats all there is too it.

True enough, I don't know the laws where Exo lives but if they can get him institutionalised that would be extremely helpful, or at least get him into a detox program but leaving him homeless would just **** him over even worse

That is something the OP really needs to look into if legally he could have him admitted to a detox center, or rehabilitation center. It is not healthy or safe to have the individual around, or to just leave him out in the cold either something needs to be figured out. Rehab seems to be the best option but if it is not an option unfortunately giving up may be the only way to get the guy to realize what he has done. As the owner of a deviated septum and an alumni of rehabilitation lol I can tell you personally that particular system works.

Why would you only care about one person's well-being and not the other's? Do you know how sick his brother must feel? And how alone?

Bipolar disorder doesn't just go away with independence, it doesn't get better. I could never abandon someone that way.

Well this got a bit crazy.

Trollheart, thanks for speaking your mind. You didn't have to respond to this thread and you did because I believe you truly care. I thank you for that.

Herm, thank you for sticking up for somebody you don't even know and trying to being anther view on this. It's very appreciated and it helped a lot.

I'm not going to agree or disagree with either one of you because that would only make matters worse. I will say that I can relate to each of your points of view and it's going to take some time to figure out what decision we've made is going to be the right one. Right now we're monitoring and administering his medicine and honestly it's showing. I had my brother back today. Tomorrow it could be entirely different but we're not going to ease of the gas pedal one things start getting back to normal if they even do.

Babysteps guys. Thanks for all your feedback. I can't state how helpful it's been and while you may all be just words on a website I know that I have people I can go to when life decides to be Sh*tty who will tell me everything is going to be okay. I think that's a special thing.

Thank you.

It's so obvious that you care and I know it must be difficult to make huge decisions like that. Just remember support is so important with mental illnesses and it looks like that's what you're trying to do.

We've been supportive for a long long time and continually get it thrown back in our face. The time is coming where the support is going to be harder and harder to give. I'm not saying that I'm there yet because my brother is on my mind 24 hours a day but I get where Trollheart is coming from when he says sometimes it's better to let go instead of ruin three lives. I'm going to do my best to make sure that doesn't happen though.

With your thread about to fall off the first page I'd just like to bump it back up to ask how things are going now? Any better? Any progress? Hope it's getting a little easier to deal with, and he's showing some improvement.

Thinkin' of ya man!

Right Hermoine, Trollheart and Aww Sugar calm the hell down please. This doesn't need to get personal.

That was like 5 days ago. I'm going to go ahead and assume they're not still worked up about it.

Things got a little crazy last night and today. I'll write in detail later. My puppy is being a puppy. She's all crazy.

Or like 5 minutes ago. :)

What was 5 minutes ago? The posts that were made on the 13th, or Trollheart posting a followup in regard to seeing how the OP's situation was faring?

Uh..... Calm down? Why are you attacking trollheart just because he and hermione had a little row?



Anyway exo hope yer mothers alright and let me know how the brother is doin.

Oh dang I didn't look at the dates, I swear it just happened. I'm in a bit of pain right now so not really concentrating. At least they did calm down.

Freebase just told three people to calm down and you make that post? Are you serious?

Didnt see freebase's post. My apologies.....

You don't understand
the puppet does as the puppet mistress bids

OMG WHAT THE HELL... I told no one to calm down. Please. Calm up.
Today must be "lol didn't read" day.

:laughing:

This post made my day.

No I will not make out with you. Did ya hear that? this guy wants to make out with me in the middle of class. You got Chlorophyll Man up there talking about God knows what and all he can talk about is making out with me. I'm here to learn, everybody, not to make out with you. Go on with the chlorophyll.

YOU WILL MAKE OUT WITH ME! I will put this in the forum rules if need be. Therefore, and such.

I have herpes.

Me too. Maybe ours will cancel each other's out. We should try. Science.

What if they combine to form über herpes and then it grows arms and legs an detaches itself from our bodies and regenerates? That would be bad.

I'm pretty sure that you don't spread STDs through saliva, so you should be good for a snog.

Oral herpes, cold sores and fever blisters disagree with you.

And mono!

Mono is caused by Epstein Barr virus its not an std.

Oh look at you, all smart and one-upping me with your knowledge and everything! Pshhhttt!

I just want people to be educated. My bad. :wavey:

If you and your partner both have mono, does that make it stereo?

:dj:

I mentioned a page ago that I had a more detailed update coming. Here it is...

Last week Ryan went to the hospital with what was considered a bladder infection. He got a weeks worth of 10 mg pain percocets and was for the most part okay. Like his regular medicine...the pain killers were to be administered by us twice a day. He complained of pain and he ended up getting three or four a day. When he wouldn't give him one he would pout and eventually give up but we started noticing he would go into the bathroom multiple times a day and stay in there going through drawers for 20 minutes at a time. Every time we asked him about it he'd deny doing anything.

The day we got our puppy which was three days ago he left without telling us and didn't come home until two in the morning. He was high and I was disgusted. Yesterday he spent the whole day with the puppy and around five o'clock he asked for a percocet. We told him that he didn't have any left and that he wasn't getting any more. He then starting wincing in pain complaining of sharp pain. He apparently asked my mom to bring him to the hospital and she said no.

I had no idea this happened. I was downstairs. The doorbell rings. It's the cops. Ryan called himself an ambulance and didn't tell us about it. The cops know my dad who has been a volunteer fireman for 30 years in our town. They asked if Ryan really needed to go and we told them if he did we would take him and to call off the ambulance. They left and we dug into Ryan. He kept begging us to bring him and we kept screaming at him that all going to the hospital would do is waste seven more hours and waste a hundred dollars for them to say the same thing last week. He cried and begged. It was strange. He wasn't even listening to us. Just kept saying he needed to go. Just kept repeating it. Very strange.

Twenty minutes later he put on a coat and boots and walked out the door. It snowed seven inches last night. He walked out into it with no phone and no money. He never came back.

I called everywhere and finally found out he had hitchhiked to the hospital. He talked to me and told me that the doctors said he had kidney stones. I actually ****ing apologized to him.

Today my parents went to the hospital. There's nothing wrong with Ryan. He made the whole thing up. The nurses said he asked for drugs all night. They had to actually tell him they couldn't give him any more because all the tests were negative.

They called a social worker and a psych doctor. Ryan is a drug addict. He told them he's been snorting heroin and that he has voices in his head telling him to hurt people. Now he has security in his room 24 hours a day and he's being admitted to a psych ward. I won't be seeing him for a while. We finally found out what happened. And now it's being taken care of.

I'm actually happy. He's safe and being protected by professionals and now I can sleep. What a ****ing month.

I know they'll be more responses and and replies from me but I just wanted to tell all of you who have been actively following this story and providing support that I thank you from the deepest depths of myself. Really. Herm, Troll, Vanilla...everybody else...you guys are really good people and I'm happy to say I know people like you even though it's on the internet. Thank you.