I need serious advice
 

This might be a long read and I'll try to make it as brief as possible. For those who care enough to read thank you in advance. I need serious advice on what to do with my little brother.

My brother Ryan is 19 years old. He'll be 20 in June. My brother has serious mental problems. The problem is that I honestly don't know what's wrong with him. If there was a disease called "being a f*cking scumbag assh*le" then he would have that.

I believe this all started when he severely broke his leg when he was 15 years old. He broke his tibia and fibia in two places while snowboarding. He spent five days in the hospital on probably the strongest pain killers known to man that a hospital can legally distribute because the idiotic doctors at the hospital he was taken too decided that the best way to fix an injury like that was merely to set the bones and put a cast over it. Every time he moved he was in agonizing pain. We somehow brought him home from the hospital and made him a makeshift bedroom in the basement so that he could have easier access to the bathroom and have access to our television. Two painful weeks went by and he couldn't even walk to the bathroom he was in so much pain. We brought him to a different hospital and they called the other doctors idiots and surgically implanted steel rods in his leg. His pain decreased but he still had to spend at least a month in bed recovering. He was prescribed pain killers the whole time.

I believe that was what set in motion all the events I'm going to describe.

• After he got back to school his grades plummeted. He was always a B student and now he was lucky to get a C. He must have set a record for school absences and he cut class every day. He served in school suspension for cutting every other day and was told that he'd have to stay back a year due to the absences. This is where my mother comes in.
• My mother went to the school and somehow was able to get them to give him another chance and let him more on to senior year. Senior year comes around and he does the exact same thing. He cuts class. He doesn't go to school. His grades are worse than ever. The school feels like they've been sh*t on and rightfully so and they decide again to keep him back another year. Again my mother pleads with them and somehow gets them to consider giving him one last chance by letting him serve his detentions and pass summer school. He didn't walk at graduation. He barely got through summer school. Barely.
• After high school he had a series of jobs that went nowhere. He worked at Burger King and told us he was being made a manager. A week after that announcement he told us that he quit because he wasn't being treated fairly. I thought this was suspicious and I went to Burger King. He was fired for taking somebodies paycheck and trying to cash it. I don't even know how that's possible but he did it. I confronted him about it and he denied it.
• The next job he had was working at a pizza place. My mother had a suspicion that he wasn't working there so I decided to pay a visit to them. Before I went inside I called him and asked if he had work today and he said he worked for a couple hours in the morning and that they told him to take the rest of the day off. I went inside and they told me that they fired him a week ago. I asked why and they said that they believe he has a drug problem and that he just wasn't stable enough to work there.

This isn't the first time he's had a problem with drugs. Before his broken leg my father found him in possession of an ounce of weed that was being used for sale. This is actually a common thing in my town. My best friends have sold weed and some still do. I occasionally smoke some weed so this has always been a somewhat soft spot for me. My father actually gave it back to him because he thought that he'd be in debt with some drug dealer. This shouldn't have happened. Knowing what I know now. We should have done something about that. I don't know what but we should have done something.

Over the last couple years my family (it's just the four of us) have been noticing things that we just can't explain. Money has been missing. Electronics have been missing. My brother and father are volunteer firefighters and the department uses a banquet hall and bar to generate money. My father noticed money missing from the cash drawer and put in a camera to see if he could catch the thief. My father works over 40 hours a week and he mistakenly trusted my brother enough to let him know that there was a camera in the hall. The very next day the camera was ripped out of the wall. The very next day. The files were still saved and my father witnessed a person at two in the morning with the same build and height as my brother walk in, try to open the cash drawer, fail and then leave. We couldn't see his face. He was wearing a sweatshirt of the high school he "graduated" from. My father approached him about this. He denied stealing anything. He didn't deny being there.

My brother has also been in trouble with the cops. They all have to do with speeding tickets and court dates. My brother has had quite a number of speeding tickets and license violations. All of which has been taken care of and what I mean by that is paid for by my dad. He hasn't paid for anything. The last incident with court involved my brother taking my parents car and blowing a highway red light at 80 miles and hour. The light had been red for almost a minute. If it wasn't three in the morning he would have been killed along with the girl in his passenger seat. The cop pulled him over and wrote him three tickets and told him to go home. The same cop found him at a 24 hour deli 20 minutes later eating a sandwich and wrote him another ticket. My brother had to pay $1000 ticket and had his license taken away for three months. My father paid the ticket.

This past year has been pretty eye opening. It started in the summer. This is the three months he didn't have a license. In the beginning of July my brother was like a different person. He was engaging. He was enthusiastic. He was outgoing. The problem was that it was very very strange. Out of nowhere he decided that he was going to compete in a bike race to raise money for cancer. Remember that. Cancer is going to play a big role at the end of this story. The paper ended up doing a story on him and they interviewed my dad. My father had to say all these great things about my brother to this reporter. Little did the paper know that my father was making all this stuff up. My brother didn't deserve recognition.

Ryan never did the race.

My brother during that summer also told us and was completely convinced that he was going to run for council of our town. It took us a week to get him to realize that nobody would vote for a 19 year old kid who barely graduated high school, was jobless, had no drivers license, and didn't go to college.

All that changed in October when my brother stopped going out. He stopped smoking weed. He stopped hanging out with all of his friends. He worked for a short time with a friend of the family doing yard work but he soon left that job. My brother fell into a depression. He's been in it until right now. He hasn't worked in months. He's literally been on the couch the entire time watching tv and sleeping.

Here's the thing though. During that time I've never had a better relationship with him. He was like my best friend. We hung out and watched movies and joked and just acted like brothers were supposed to act. I finally thought that all that sh*t was behind him and now we had to just work on getting him out of a depression and back to being an actual person. We were completely supportive and didn't get on his case about spending all his time at home and doing nothing. He's sick. We set up doctors appointments. We set up time with a psychiatrist. He's on Xanax for his anxiety, prozac, and a mood stabilizer. He was getting better.

All this changed two weeks ago.

I came home one day and found him in the kitchen eating ice cream out of the box at the counter. I looked into his eyes and they were red as hell. He was high as hell. I asked him if he was high and he told me that he went to a friends house who just had his first kid (at 19) and they celebrated a bit (yes I know. Retarded. This is my town). They smoked and he came home. I actually wasn't mad. I told him not to make it a habit and left it at that.

He has smoked every single day since. The person who he was buying it from called me and told me he bought enough to sell and he wanted to let me know. My brother admitted to selling a bit to "make some money" and I told him that he was forbidden to be a drug dealer and that after he sold the rest he was done. This was my mistake. He still says he hasn't sold anything since but the other day my father counted 20 Xanax missing from the bottle. My brother told him they fell down the sink. He sold them.

My parents aren't idiots. They are just very very forgiving people. My parents and I know that if we kick him out of the house he's most likely never going to come back and he's going to die in a ditch somewhere on drugs. We can't let this happen.

This is the last thing and the main reason of why I'm writing this thread.

For the past two weeks he;s been smoking weed. I mentioned that. What I didn't mention is that he makes no attempt to hide it. I've come home ever day and smelled weed in my house and so have my parents. My mother has breast cancer. She has pleaded with him to stop smoking in the house. Pleaded. Two night ago my mom witnessed him buying a bag of weed from some ****ing c*nt in front of my house. When he came inside she broke down and started crying and screaming at him saying how can he do this; that he is stabbing her in the back; that he's stabbing his mother with cancer in the back. She screamed and cried all in front of my eyes.

My brother went into his room and rolled a blunt.

Ten minutes later he was outside smoking it. My mother was still crying.

I ripped it out of his hands and threw it in his face and he called me an ******* and didn't understand why I was screaming at him. He was unaware of what he did. Either that or he just didn't care.

Yesterday I came home from work and told him how disgusting he was I called him a scumbag c*cksucker. I almost spit on him. I told him if he didn't stop that he was going to lose a brother and gain another parent. I would no longer keep certain things from my parents and I would flush every ounce of weed I found. I made him promise me and for the time being it actually looked like he was listening to me.

I came home today and was home an hour before I smelled weed. 24 hours after ALL THAT. He's smoking a blunt on my deck while I'm ten feet away.

I dragged him inside. I nearly beat the **** out of him. I threw the blunt in the toilet. I called him the nastiest things I could think of and I meant every word. He looked at me like I was an ******* and he shrugged his shoulders and left.

I'm distraught. I don't know what to do. He doesn't care about his family. If the three of us died tomorrow he wouldn't care. My brother doesn't care if his family dies. I believe that in my heart.

I've known heroin addicts who have robbed people at gun point and what he's doing is more f*cked up than that.

He just came home. He's whistling.

I'm completely serious. He's ****ing whistling.

This sounds like I just made this all up. I didn't. This is actually my life. Maybe one day I can turn this into a book but for right now my family and I have to live with it every day and he doesn't care whatsoever. I'm almost certain I'm going to lose my brother. Either he'll be dead or dead to me and I'm scared.

I don't know what to do.

Thanks for reading.

EDIT: I need to get out of here for a while. If I don't respond until late at night that's why. I'll respond to any questions or anything you guys might have to say. Thanks again.

First of all I am very sorry about your mother's cancer diagnosis. I don't believe I said that when you originally posted that so I just want to rectify that. I hope she beats it, I really do.

Onto your brother... His progression into theft is where I would have drawn the line and it's where I would have cut him loose. I understand here's your brother, but stealing from charity is one of the most despicable acts one can do. As for what you can do, well... he needs to hit his bottom, and that will be impossible while he's still living under his parents roof. There's two outcomes, he hits his bottom and it scares or disgusts him enough into getting his shit together, or he keeps on keeping on and there's not a goddamn thing you can do about it. Addiction is one of the most insidious things, especially when it's a family member and someone you care about. But if he's bringing drugs into the house, smoking it indiscriminately, and showing absolutely zero empathy for the people he's living with, it's time to throw him to the wilds. Hopefully he'll hit his bottom sooner rather than later, but regardless of whatever good intentions you do, from the sounds of things they're going to go to waste.

I'm really sorry for your situation though.

Honestly, there's nothing you can do, like Pete said he's gonna have to hit bottom for anything to happen and you can't forcibly institutionalise him or anything

sorry this is happening to you though :(

Thanks for the wishes towards my mother. All signs point to her kicking the **** out of that cancer. I appreciate the kind words.

I also completely agree with you on the whole issue of rock bottom. I just don't know if I can actually get myself to let him go. Of all the ****ty things he's done I still love him completely. I honestly believe that my brother has two personas. One of them is a loving caring person and the other is a ****ing scumbag drug addict. I need to kill it before it kills my brother. I'd hate myself if I didn't.

Thanks Herm. My mother was talking about sending him to rehab for the weed. I said that was silly. 15 year old girls go to rehab for weed. My brother needs serious therapy. We've already began the search for a good doctor. If he doesn't get better with serious therapy then I think we're going to have to kick him out.

Jesus Exo! You'd think he'd realise you have enough on your plate with the shocking news your mother got. I have no idea what you could do. Maybe if he screwed up and had to spend a night or so in jail it might knock some sense into him, maybe it would make him worse, I don't know, but he needs something. In the old days they'd send him to the army or into the priesthood or god knows what.

But I agree with Pete and Herm: you can't allow him to destroy your lives when he clearly doesn't give a ****. One thing that needs to stop is your dad bailing him out. Let him pay his own ****ing fines, and if he can't let him go to court and if necessary to prison. Maybe it will straighten him out. At worst, you and your family will get some time away from him.

I think the main problem is that your parents are wrapping him in cotton wool (your mother with the school and your dad with the fines) and so he thinks everyone will always be there to clean up his mess. It's time he learned to take responsibility for his actions. As long as people keep making excuses for him and sorting out his problems/debts, he's going to have no reason or incentive (considering how deaf he is to your pleas and how little he seems to care about you all) to change, buckle down, live in the real world.

I think you and your parents need to sit him down, set an ultimatum. If he doesn't follow the rules he's out of the house. And make sure he knows you're serious: this is not just some empty threat. And when he fails to keep the rules, pack his bags and leave them on the porch, have the locks changed and dont let him in. If necessary call the cops.

It's a tough situation man, I really feel for you, but it looks like you've tried being reasonable and now tougher measures are required.

Sorry I can't be of more help. Let us know how it develops. We're thinking of you. And you parents.

I am very sorry about your mother, like Pete said, I hope she beats it. My jaw dropped reading this, I really don't know what to say. You have done all you can, and your parents sound like amazing people, I really pity their situation, even more than yours. Are you sure he isn't on something stronger than just weed? I think that something needs to happen to him to scare him, the lads here say rock bottom, while, I don't have a brother myself, I don't know if I would wish that on him, because it would mean putting his life in danger, but I don't know if there is any other way out of this for him. You really have done all you can do. I know you have tried talking to him, but maybe he needs psychiatric help?

Anyway, I don't know if I have been of any help, probably not. But please keep us posted.

I completely agree with Trollheart, but at the same time I understand why your brother is behaving the way he is. Because he's so hooked to weed his judgement is clouded, he's justifying his actions because he feels it's the only thing that is making him happy. Everything else falls secondary to that.

I definitely think it's time he moves out. If he's going to screw up his life, you need to let him do it. I think referring him to a rehab won't work because he needs to want to quit himself. Until he does it will be a waste of time and money.

I am sorry that your mom has cancer but am very pleased to hear she's most likely going to be cancer-free soon. I really hope you can be strong about this situation with your brother. The only way you can fix him is by letting him go.

I think you've been given the right advice in that he's never going to get better until he wants to, at some level even if it's just because he's cold and hungry and seeks some shelter. I got sober almost 18 years ago because I was homeless and wanted a roof over my head.

The one thing I will add to this is that, you and your family are not alone, there are other families that know your pain and I recommend that you and your family seek them out for support, lest you and your family suffer the all-too-familiar syndrome that will surely develop without said support.

The best of these, without question, is Al Anon (not to be confused with AA, although they do work together). And I understand the reluctance to seek help, but really that reluctance is all the more reason to do so.

I think it's more likely that he's abusing weed as a symptom of self-loathing and depression. Seriously depressed people are escapists, and most of the actions your brother is doing sound like that of a young guy wanting to self-destruct because of a negative self image. The reckless behavior, apathy, and mood changes are indicative of hopelessness but i agree that he has far to go to hit rock bottom. He still has a support system and really has no incentive to accept his reality, let alone acknowledge it at all.

I am sorry about your brother, mother - and the stress you must be going through. Some of your brother's behavior that you've described correlates to incidents in my life to the T that I've witnessed. A former friend, a family member, etc. This is why I believe my opinion will offer you a unique perspective.

Since high school he has not had a consequence. Made it through graduation, and financial responsibilities are aided by your father. Even if it means lying to the paper, your brother knows it will be done. Your parents clearly love him very much. In no way am I accusing your parents for poor actions - in fact they sound fantastic. However with what it sounds like their son is going through, there is a different type of aid needed. Now you are at the point where it sounds like he is at an emotional rock bottom. He is still in there, the 'loving caring person' that you refer to. He just forgot how to be him. With practicing escaping from the reality of accountability, compassion and honesty - he has accepted this disconnected person he has become.


As a brother it sounds like you have done your best to be patient, assertive and even took the role as detective with visiting former work places. Unfortunately it's time to understand that the next steps really are not up to you, your mom or dad. What does your brother want to do? Who is he? A scumbag drug addict? Or a 19 year old self medicating to cope with what he perceives to be intolerable feelings? It sounds like the only decisions he's ever made were ones completely opposite to paths he has been given.

The harsh reality is that however much assistance your family gives him, he must decide this life is not what he wants. In fact you can not fix him. The best way I can say it is, you can not stitch a wound that only wants to bleed.

Elaborate lies, " A week after that announcement he told us that he quit because he wasn't being treated fairly".. all sound like ways to cope with an unlikeable self. Is his internal mantra one which chants the woes of an unfair life?

Professional help, and a little more patience to endure. You have been a great brother. It will be a while before your brother can be a good one back, or even begin being a son - if he still does not know how to function just as himself.

I'm sure a lot of what I've said is over simplified or presumptuous. I can only hope that perhaps bits and pieces might offer insight.

Best wishes.

I don't think weed causes this. Exo said he was put on painkillers for his leg and pills have come up missing. I knew a pillhead. He didn't sound quite that bad, but it sounds familiar.

I agree with what pretty much everyone else is saying, that he needs to be cut loose. I also think that your mother's cancer makes this even more necessary. I don't know how bad her cancer is, but I imagine that you and your family don't have the emotional capital to be using it up for her and your brother. Not to mention, I'm sure all this stress can't be good for your mother's health. For all you know this whole situation could be adversely affecting her physically as well as mentally. At this time your family needs to be a tight unit around your mother, and if one of you is unraveling that then he needs to go. At least until the mess with your mother gets better.

My mothers cancer is in remission and she was recently given a 95% recovery rate. She's got two more weeks of radiation therapy but it's still taking an emotional toll. Nearly every one of you have mentioned her in your posts and I can't tell you how grateful I am that there is an online community of people who are all genuine and kind. I thank all of you.

About my brother...

I agree with all of you. I guess the one thinking I didn't mention was what I think is going on with him. I mentioned the broken leg because this is where I think he started having problems mentally. He stopped seeing his friends and had to basically live in a basement by himself most of the day due to my parents and I working. I also think this is where he was introduced to the world of drugs.

Let me make this statement. The main focal point here is not the weed. My family is a very logical family. We know that the weed is a device to self medicate and that it needs to go away but the problem is the emptyness and complete lack of emotion, guilt, or remorse for lying to the faces of his family. He lies to my face and when I expose his lie he just shrugs his shoulders. He acts like the fights we had don't exist and hour later as he's asking me if he could use my car to go get coffee. He actually doesn't understand why I'm disgusted with him and am not allowing him to use my car. He actually doesn't get it.

I don't know what that is. He isn't stupid. He's sick. Very very very sick. The worst part is that he was FINE two weeks ago. He was my best friend two weeks ago. It's like he's possessed. It's the strangest thing I've ever seen.

Anyway, we're calling doctors and making appointments and I'm preparing myself to let him go emotionally if he continues this. I feel horrible for what I said yesterday even though I know I'm right. That's how much I love him. It just really sucks right now.

Thank you all for your responses.

Was he like this before he was given all of that medication for his leg?

Nope.

He was a regular kid. He had good grades and made comedy skits with his friends and put them on youtube. He broke his leg snowboarding. He used to go up and film his friends all day. He doesn't talk to those people anymore. He also used to play every sport. That stopped too although it may have to do with the leg.

Wait, so do you not think he is addicted to pills at the moment? Is it just weed?

I agree with the bolded. It does sound like the constant smoking is more of a symptom of something deeper.

I'm really sorry to hear about your situation Exo. I don't know if I have any advice except to just keep on. You're a good person with a good head on your shoulders and I think whatever your gut tells you is the right course of action probably is the right course of action.

He needs a good old fashioned battering if I'm honest, he sounds like a ****ing arse. Maybe you guys are needing to throw him out to give him the shock that he needs and will realise that your dad isn't always going to be there to rescue him.



In all honesty he sounds like a spoiled little bitch with a serious attitude problem. But I obviously don't really know but that's my impression. If tough love doesn't work then I have no idea what you could do.

I don't think he's on pills right now. I know for a fact that he was at one point. I think the painkillers that he was on when he broke his leg opened his eyes up to being high. Right now its just weed. All the time. No matter what we ask. In our faces.

Thanks man. I'm trying to detach myself from him right now and just focus on setting up doctor appointment.

My brother is two people. One is everything you describe to a 'T'. I told him yesterday that I hope somebody beats the f*cking sh*t out of him and pisses on his face. I lost all self control and restriction. I'm not happy about that.

The other person is a caring loving fun person who I considered my best friend. He's a manic depressed bi-polar with sociopathic tendencies. It's tearing our family apart.

Are you like sure sure? Cause you said some Xanax came up missing, and if he's a pillhead I'd say it's more likely that he took them than he sold them. Pills would explain mood swings and sociopathic behavior way better than just weed would.

i don't really have much advice as it seems you're pretty aware of what needs to be done. i just wanted to express that i think you and your family are good, strong people, and also my condolences for your having to endure this. i wish you and your family the best.

Ah right I never knew he had legitimate mental health problems, in that case I have no idea how to handle the situation.


Isn't there any services that you could talk to that would offer some advice? It's worth a try.

I'm pretty sure. My three best friends have had pain killer addictions. One of my good friends from high school was addicted to pain killers and heroin. I've always stayed away from drugs but I've been around them all my life. I know what people look like when they're high on anything but weed. He's not taking the pills. Since he was prescribed them we've been keeping a close eye on them. We found out they were missing the day after. Another clue is that my brother is incapable of hiding anything even when he cares enough to try too. I've found weed baggies and dutch guts strewn about. He leaves roaches in the same water bottle as his cigarette butts. If he were doing pills...I'd see evidence of it. I don't.

You guys are my services right now. I couldn't ask for anything better. Appointments are being made for a therapist but besides that we're still figuring out what the best solution is. Just so the lot of you know, my parents are aware of the things you've told me to do. They are very thankful. I told them that sometimes there can be caring people on the internet. Just wanted to say thanks again.

Ahh yeah. I've been there in his spot. it's really sad for him because he must be a lot of pain to be acting this way, especially if you say he's caring and loving otherwise. When one is sick like that, you really do not care about anyone or anything besides killing that sick part of yourself and you'll do anything to feel something different. You lose all sense of self/reality/morality and you become the biggest ******* and then one day you pull out of it and your life is a horrible ****ing mess.


When was he diagnosed btw? And how old is he?

He's been going to a psychiatrist for a month now and he'll be 20 in June.

That's about the time my illness started to really manifest and it's really the worst at that time, I mean seriously the ****ing worst. The depressive episodes make you want to pull out your nerves you hurt so bad and when you're manic you're on autopilot, like it's basically like being black out drunk for a week or so. Honestly, don't put stock in psychiatrists, because he'll probably tell the shrink what he wants to hear and convince everyone that he's okay when he's not. What he really needs is someone close to support him (like you), and treat him like a human being and not an illness, and especially not a burden. He can't help it that he's sick, even though he's a total ******* right now.

What it feels like to me, is that he's acting this way because he harbours some kind of delusional grudge against your family and uses whatever that is to justify his actions. Make no mistake, he's probably doing all of it on purpose. It might be hard, but try to suss out what it could possibly be and do your best to correct any of his delusional thinking like that. It's a huge problem when you're bipolar.

I guess this response is a little too compassionate but seriously I've been there where he is and I know how it feels. I really hope it gets better, I did but it took a lot of time & energy.

Thanks Herm. Right now I'm just leaving him alone. I'm going to give it a week or so before I start talking to him again. Maybe he'll be in a different frame of mind in a week. I just caught him today smoking outside again. My mom and I were watching him on the deck from the kitchen. My mom opened the door and he immediately threw something in the grass. I went outside and started looking for it. I asked him where the blunt was and he said he didn't know. I found it and asked him if he was proud of himself. He didn't answer and just walked inside.

He's very sick and it's breaking my heart.

Here's a developing story. Yesterday when I was exploding on him he for some unknown reason gave me the name of the kid who has been giving him weed. We'll call him John. I actually know who John is. He used to be friends with my best friends brother. I called up to ask for Johns' phone number and got it. Called him up and told him the situation. I told him that I couldn't have him calling my brother anymore. He said he respected that and that he'd oblige.

The phone rang about thirty minutes ago. The caller hung up as soon as my mother picked up the phone. The number on the caller ID was Johns number. I called him and he actually picked up and I told him I was completely serious and that he's an idiot for not knowing that I have three uncles on the police department of the town he lives in. I told him I didn't care what he did but that if he tried contacting Ryan one more time he wouldn't like the consequences. He hung up on me. Then I sent him this text.

"Listen. I don't want to cause trouble for you but I'm certainly capable of doing so. Leave Ryan alone. Be a smart business guy and cut your loss. He is not worth the amount of **** that will fall on you if you don't. I couldn't be more serious."

I don't need this **** right now in my life.

I really wish I could give you a big ass hug right now. I am so devastated that it's got this bad for you and your family. We are all here for you. Anytime you need to just rant and get it out please feel free to use this as a base. :)

I could use a hug right now. I haven't even mentioned this but I'm also going through a a semi break up with my girlfriend of 4 1/2 years. We're not seeing other people and I still see her but the emotional part of the relationship is on indefinite hiatus. I'm thankful that I still have her but it's just another stressful thing that's going on with all the other stressful things.

Tuesday I get an escape though. I'm seeing Between the Buried and Me and Russian Circles in Philly.

Awww I'm sorry, it's like the last thing you need right now. I am keeping you in my thoughts and I know from experience that when life is a pile of ****, if you just hold on and stay strong you can get through to the other end where life becomes normal again. I think you're a very strong person and I know many people wouldn't have been as supportive of their brother as you have. It certainly speaks volumes about you. xxxx

*E-hug*

It doesn't make the situation any better, really, but I'd just like to say at least there's some good in your life with the news about your mother recovering from the cancer. :tramp: Something to hold onto, light in the darkness and all that.

I respect what Herm says and I understand she's looking at it basically from your brother's viewpoint, as she says she's been there, but I still disagree. While nobody wants to cut out their family or be the bad guy, I can't honestly see any way he gets better, or has a chance to at least, while he still has his support system in place. I think, to use a somewhat cruel analogy (though in ways accurate) he's like someone who's broken his leg (I know he has) and although he finds it hard to walk is able to manage okay on a crutch, but has got so used to that crutch that he doesn't bother trying to walk properly again. Metaphorically, cruel as it may seem, I think you have to kick that crutch out from him and take it away, see if he can walk without it.

Did that make any sense? Probably not: I'm just really going over what I already said but in a slightly weirder way. The other, perhaps crueller point, is that if it turns out he doesn't get any better, you need to make sure that your parents, and you, aren't dragged down with him. It's a time to do the old Star Trek "needs of the many" speech I'm afraid.

Point is, stick to your guns, especially for your mother's sake. And as Vanilla and we all say, we're here to talk and for you to vent to any time you need it. I have no experience in this sort of situation, but I think a certain amount of commonsense and life experience comes into play as well.

Keep us updated and as I say, we're here for you.
I'd give you a hug too, but that would just be gay, and then the Batlord would go tell everyone and make my life a misery. You understand, don't you? ;)

In the last 48 hours I haven't smiled much. That made me laugh. A lot. Thank you.

If this is true and he's only smoking weed to self-medicate (although from what you've said it sounds like the kid may be better at hiding other drug use than you think) then he does not have a drug problem, he's just mentally ill. If he is a drug addict then he will have to detox (or replace one drug with another) before anything else can happen.

It sounds to me like he's been coddled to a fault, no matter what drugs he is on. I wouldn't throw him out on the street either, so I don't blame your family for giving him such a wide safety net.

The unfortunate fact is that a psychiatrist on their own, without his willingness to change, can only keep him medicated with anti-depressants, anti-psychotics, or whatever, and he will become a mentally ill zombie. Still holed up in his room, or nodding off in the room with you. The crime and lying may stop, but that's all those drugs will do for him. He'll need to be willing to undergo serious psychiatric therapy as well as getting doped. It sounds like your parents will pay for the high level of care that he probably needs, but he'll still have to be open to accepting and changing what he has become.

Exo, this soudns very similar to a friend of mine. He dropped acid there over christmass and it went badly for him( he basically discovered he was bipolar because of the trip ) and he thought he was going mad. Anyway, he is 19 going 20 as well except unlike your brother, after that scare, he decided not to smoke any more weed or ever take acid again(even though his friends do this a lot). My point being that, he was scared enough to act and make a big decision for his own good. I think your brother needs this as well. I don't know him but I think your parents are being too easy on him, I also think he is a nice guy underneath all of the self loathing. Does he ever snap at you or your parents? From what I have heard from you, he seems to just shrug it off? It sounds like he is just absorbing all of this anger and dissapointment you and your parents are feeling towards him, this isn't good for him.

Yeah we're trying to back off him a bit but also trying to keep his safety in mind. Tonight he locked his door and wouldn't open it so I had to pick the lock. I'm going to be taking the doorknob off tomorrow. He can have his privacy of a closed door but not the security of a locked one.

And he has no response whatsoever to anything we say. He just stays silent and walks away. Doesn't even look at us.

I actually just found out that the friend he saw two weeks ago that I thought started this whole thing hasn't seen him in six months. Ryan told us that he had a baby and that he smoked with him while he was over there celebrating. He had a baby all right. He just hasn't seen or talked to Ryan in half a year. My mother actually bought him a gift and told Ryan to give it to him. Ryan took it and did who knows what with it. It certainly didn't go to his friend.

This is what we're dealing with.

How long has this been going on again? I got the impression from you that it has been getting worse over the course of several years? I know this sounds like a cliche and a bit retarded, but he almost sounds like he needs one massive big ****ing hug. Or something to feel confident about something. Something to...be proud of. I dunno. Maybe I'm talking **** again, but maybe I'm not.

Well he went through a huge personality change after his broken leg which was about three almost four years ago. In that time there has been a plethora of ****ed up things he's done and we've always been there for him. We yelled and scolded him of course but what family member wouldn't? I can't count how many hours I've spent just talking to him about life and how to be a good person. I don't mean to brag but I've been a pretty ****ing good brother to him and now I'm nothing. That's how I know he's really sick. He's not even responding to me anymore. This may be because of the last 48 hours but this was after I've caught him lying to me for the past three weeks. I'm still finding out things he's lied about. He's done it about three times today.

He needs something, but it's something we haven't tried yet.

I would have to agree there. Especially if combined with anti-depressants and alcohol. People on those sort of cocktails can be barely recognisable personality wise and they don't see what arses they're being.

It's not pills.

Oh, so you think leaving a mentally ill person, who abuses drugs homeless and without resources is a good idea? what the **** is wrong with you?