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Trollheart 02-16-2018 01:14 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chiomara (Post 1926951)
Tfw no magnet fishing kit for your birthday :c (I kept meaning to just buy myself one on Amazon but I ran out of money this week due to the moving and whatnot)
It was your birthday?


Do you mean something like this?

https://www.ebay.ie/itm/Lelin-Wooden...AAAOSw7rdagtHB

or this?
https://www.ebay.ie/itm/Childrens-ma...4AAOSwc6pZ9uPF

DwnWthVwls 02-16-2018 05:58 PM
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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1925486)
At work I had, all at once, at least three people who denied flu vaccines because they supposedly only became sick when they got vaccines. I tried to tell them about herd immunity, they ignored me, and I guarantee you they weren't even educated enough to know about basic vaccine denial dogma. Try dealing with ignoramuses who aren't even educated enough on the nonsense they spout for you to even refute their nonsense.
Herd immunity does **** all for flu vaccines (this is hyperbolic). Youre both derps. Flu shots are not like other immunity shots as it's largely a guessing game, there can be an outbreak of any of the 100+ strains on any given year and the most common shots(trivalent vaccines) target H1N1 and a couple other strains.

Frownland 02-16-2018 06:03 PM
So....not exactly a case against herd immunity is it

DwnWthVwls 02-16-2018 06:07 PM
How does herd immunity protect against simultaneous outbreaks of different strains none of which were actually vaccinated for? I know youre all gungho about vaccines, but I'd expect you to understand the science behind this. It's pretty widely accepted that flu vaccines are not that effective, and they are constantly working to keep up with the viruses evolution.

The herd immunity thing is good at protecting against 3-4 strains.. out of 100+.

Edit: The CDC even reported that the vaccine this year was not effective against the most prevalent strain.. soo?

Bleh, I cant find the article to support this, so I'll just retract it.

Frownland 02-16-2018 06:15 PM
I just don't see how that's an argument against herd immunity if it's still effective for some strains.

DwnWthVwls 02-16-2018 06:19 PM
So if we all get small pox vaccines that gives us herd immunity vs the flu. Got it.

Pretty sure I already admitted herd immunity is good against the 3 strains the vaccine targeted. Selective reading much? :D


Doesn't the vaccine have to actually be effective for herd immunity to work?

Frownland 02-16-2018 06:24 PM
Flu shots slow the spread of a disease. Sure it doesn't always quite reach herd immunity rates of immunity, but that doesn't mean that flu shots don't serve a similar purpose.

DwnWthVwls 02-16-2018 06:26 PM
I've never read anywhere that flu strains not targeted by the vaccine are hindered by it. If you'd like to point me to some reading, i'd be happy to check it out.

Frownland 02-16-2018 06:28 PM
Selective reading much?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1927056)
I just don't see how that's an argument against herd immunity if it's still effective for some strains.

DwnWthVwls 02-16-2018 06:34 PM
Well, if you read the posts in chronological order I thought that was in response to the last question I asked, considering I already established that I agree herd immunity is effective for some strains.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/...18_634x470.jpg


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