Ipods are ok but itunes sucks balls and the idea that you can't get music onto the thing without using itunes pisses me off. I use a Zen X-Fi and recently resurrected by old Zen Vision:M. I can also now use my Samsung Galaxy S4 if I'm stuck. I can't understand how anyone could restrict their player in such a way. What? Have Apple never heard of drag-and-drop?? :eek:

I think you can get music onto your iPod using Foobar2000, at least that's what I've heard. Anyway, I don't have any major issues with iTunes. It's annoyed me a couple of times, but in general I'm happy.

Yeah but with Creative you just find the folder, drag it to your device and copy. Done and done. No messing. I ****ing hate itunes. Add folder, update, find album, synch, transfer, repeat. **** that.

I've used a Creative before, and I agree, it's much easier to just copy without having to use a program constantly screaming to be updated. Anyway, you don't have to sync your iPod before adding music. I use the manual editing option.

I tried it and yes, it works just fine.

iTunes is just drag and drop too. I've never had to do any of the steps you're describing. If you don't want syncing, just turn it off.

iTunes has always had a simple drag and drop function with Apple devices (iPod, iPhone) but it's not necessarily so easy without them. More on topic, I don't ever see myself getting another iPod or any other standalone MP3 player. Just get a phone with a good amount of memory.

I couldn't live without my Classic. An essential.

Can someone explain how that works? I've tried it before and it never did. If it does it would go a long way to making me rethink the ipod...

It works like every other iPod. You plug it into your computer and load it up with music via iTunes.

edit: sorry, I thought you were asking about the iPod Classic. All Apple products work really smoothly with iTunes. Non-apple products often need some kind of 3rd party software to enable drag and drop. That software often doesn't work, or costs money, or both, depending on your device.