We had grunge come up in American History for some reason after Desert Storm.

We did spend a whole day covering Woodstock though in the same class though so that was neat

Why? I mean, nothing against Woodstock I bet it was crazy but... a whole day? When people still like Hitler and Ayn Rand?

Just one class. It was more on 60s counterculture broadly but we mostly used examples of Woodstock protest songs.

You should have gone on a long winded lecture about the origin of American punk until the professor lost their temper.

And... here... we... go. I've already said at some point that punk would have just been an unlinked series of art rock scenes if not for the success of British punk, but I think it still bears saying that we wouldn't still be talking about punk to anywhere near the same degree if not for the Sex Pistols or The Clash.

But a hindsight view of punk from a college course that may or may not actually have its facts straight is not the best barometer.

Obviously the distinction is arbitrary. If not for the British scene creating the punk stereotype there would quite possibly be no distinction in the first place. And I'd cite Peter Laughner as my case. Dude came out with Rocket from the Tombs and Pere Ubu at the same time as the first CBGB's bands after checking them out in New York and didn't need two or three years "evolve". Evolution was simply the desired result from all parties involved.

To expound on my initial point. If we're defining punk by its core tenets (a rejection of "modern" rock, and acceptance of unbridled creativity in rock), I think it's silly to start at mid-70s CBGB's. That, and England, was just one in an unbroken chain of links going back to bands like the Modern Lovers, the Monks, Velvet Underground, the Stooges, etc, I guess beginning with the Fugs in the mid-60s. It was all part of what would become known as proto-punk, punk, post-punk, and alternative, and those "genres" are only referred to as such by their relation to punk. Drawing a line of demarcation is basically arbitrary, and the only reason to do so is to recognize the cultural snapshot of what the original English punk scene was, because that's when the public at large became aware that anything of the sort was actually happening.

And if we're defining punk by what people think of as "punk", then it still started with England, cause that's when "Punk" with a capital "P" rose to prominence, which is still that same cultural snapshot.

By your standard of what is "punk", you might as well just do away with the term in general.

Then the credit goes to New York because of Suicide.

But my point is that "punk" is a term that is used to describe PUNK bands, and would be just as pointless to use to describe in hindsight bands like Velvet Underground as "proto-punk". They were just an underground rock band. The only useful description of "punk" is what it has been historically used to describe stereotypical punk and its offshoots that haven't been described as post-punk or new wave or whatever.

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Punk is god!

You should listen to some real punk

Not til I'm done Spreading the love of punk, brother!

This isn't punk! This is pure garbage!

(I was listening to this as I drove home from work yesterday. Probably my favorite thing from their discog.)

Contradictions.

How many OG CBGB's bands are actually political? I'd say the political aspect of "punk" is as stereotypical and unimaginative as the three-chord ****, and likewise dooms the genre. Punk in the creative sense should be about doing and saying whatever you want with the music, so making it about specific politics is just lame. A punk band should be able to talk about libertarianism, communism, or tits and ass as much as they want to. Or else it's just generic punk fascism.

Leave your anarchist organizations with their singular, unified ideology out of punk, elphenor!

I'll stop trolling for a moment and say that I agree with this whole heartedly.

In other news, the phone was ringing and I picked it up and got dial tone. I was so confused.

That point would make sense if anarchism was a coherent ideology beyond being anti-state.

I was gonna comment about punk in the 70s but then realized it would be akin to me getting slashed with a scalpel a few times, and then getting tossed into a tank of piranhas's.

You guys continue on.

And he gets torn up regardless!

But I haven't put forth a narrative?????

You have, in the Green Day thread methinks.

No, I just don't think that music should be defined by a specific brand of lyricism if it's not being defined by a specific brand of songwriting. There's plenty of folk that's political, but that doesn't mean that all folk should be political, let alone be bound by a specific political ideology.

I get that. I get why "Communication Breakdown" isn't considered proto-punk, but I don't get why liberal punk lyricism should be considered necessary to anything but the generic punk stereotype.

My trap has sprung.

TFW you realize it's a brilliant day for disc golf but sundown is two hours away and your main homie would take an hour to get out here. **** ****.

Play with a flashlight you lazy bitch.

The cops come at sundown cause it's a public park that closes at sundown.

Disc golf and an adventure? I don't know why you're still here.

But is that something that's actually happened to you? Public park hours are so rarely enforced here I barely even notice them.

It's more of a legend I suppose, but considering just how hard disc golf would be to play in the dark (which I am well aware of) it's not something that's tested. The game becomes impossible well before sundown. And none of us want the cops to treat the course as a place of interest anyway, so we're cautious with that ****.

Do they not make glow in the dark/light-up disc golf frisbee thingies? (note: I have very limited knowledge about disc golf) Also, headlamps are useful for these situations. Even if they do look extremely dorky.

They do, but it's a novelty. We're often throwing discs into swamps basically. Even in full daylight you'll sometimes be throwing over gulches that a bad throw will mean walking on logs over knee deep mud to retrieve a ten dollar piece of plastic. And you're grateful for those logs. But emotionally invested in that plastic.

Ohh I see.

I suddenly feel like playing drunk disc golf.

That's the only way to play disc golf. 90% of your throws will not be over stupid ****, and a good percentage of those that are will be fun. But sometimes you'll just get butt****ed and have to throw over bull**** while standing on two logs while trying not to faceplant into a giant pile of mud where you've previously seen venomous snakes. It can get pretty intense in a way that football really can't.

Mud piles + snakes sounds like a grand old time. Football definitely could use more snakes.

I have never seen somebody go this hard to find a disc, but I have seen similar scenes. I have seen dudes almost lose shoes in mud. I have seen dudes walk on fallen tree trunks to make it out over marsh hellholes. Disc golf is not for the faint of heart, assuming you give a **** about your discs, and you will lose major respect if you don't. Nobody will say a thing about you if you don't do what that dude did, but that dude is a ****ing hero.

Today was eventful:

-One lady came in, told us she was in a hurry. Both associates were busy. She stormed out of the building. I just said "see ya" as she left. Don't be rude, people.

-A friend I knew from middle school walked in, and we shortly talked while I was sending his fax. I find it super awkward to start a conversation with someone you barely know anymore but you knew them really well back in school. It was just so rushed and I was awkward. Oh well.

-I put bacon on my sandwich today but when I got to work, I bit into my sandwich and the bacon fell out.

-On top of it all, I was stoned before work because **** mondays (i know it's tuesday).

Or you could just play in an area that isn't a swamp.

Quality ****post.

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