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Lucem Ferre 11-04-2018 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by 66Sexy (Post 2012120)
Definitely, but the desire to tell people what to do is often rewarded simply because it's easier to give those people positions of power than evaluating how good of a leader someone is. Plenty of people network to get good positions, but there's a limited amount of positions for even those people and it simply makes it easier to decide who should lead when someone takes it upon themselves to lead without having the authority in the first place. People in high positions don't necessarily care that the person being promoted is capable, they just need a body to put in a position who'll do the job.

It was much easier to notice in a school with 150 students where capable leaders were in more short supply, so when some domineering **** who you'd never think to give a leadership position was given one you knew why.

At my previous job I was given the opportunity to be a supervisor but declined because I didn't want the extra responsibilities piled on top of what I already took responsibility for with hardly a raise and more importantly they had been promising it to the only coworker at the time that was worth a **** and I didn't wanna see him get bent over and ****ed by the company again so I vouched for him. In retrospect I should have taken it since they always came to me to fix everything anyways. I can rant on about how evil of a company Sodexo is. Drastically overworked, drastically under payed completely low standards. These ****ers were literally making pitchers of crystal light and selling it for $30 as 'fruit punch'.

Edit: That crystal light bull**** is the evil of capitalism.

The Batlord 11-04-2018 03:40 PM

Bruh you ignored the fight for the ladder. You won. The fallout might not have been fun for you but you didn't fight another person for a position. That's a win afaic.

Lucem Ferre 11-04-2018 03:50 PM

My fallout with the company wasn't about the position, it's about them just being a ****ty company that doesn't value it's employees.

Actually, one of my gripes was that they kissed my ass way too much and they didn't give my coworker enough credit. I'm probably one of the only people in the history of the workforce who's been upset about this. But when you work an extremely stressful **** job that underpays you, you tend to value the people that pull their fair share of work. I definitely had power struggles though. Not in climbing the ladder, but in kicking people off the ladder for pulling us down. It's resulted in some fairly hilarious moments.

LOL

"Hey, you'll never guess what I'm going to be for Halloween!"

"Are you going to be a bus so that we can throw Mike under you? We can get matching costumes! I'll dress up as the knife you stabbed in his back!"

"No, I got one of those funny banana costumes."

The Batlord 11-04-2018 04:04 PM

Honestly I never really bother to worry about that ****. I show up, do my ****, tell them that I have no interest in moving up on the very odd occasion that somebody mentions it, and just have whatever fun I can talking **** to whoever I can have fun talking **** with. I don't think most people there get what I'm about except for the people who actually get a kick out of my nonsense. The ladder is irrelevant to me and I ignore it.

Lucem Ferre 11-04-2018 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by 66Sexy (Post 2012138)
Honestly I never really bother to worry about that ****. I show up, do my ****, tell them that I have no interest in moving up on the very odd occasion that somebody mentions it, and just have whatever fun I can talking **** to whoever I can have fun talking **** with. I don't think most people there get what I'm about except for the people who actually get a kick out of my nonsense. The ladder is irrelevant to me and I ignore it.

That's how I like it. I just want to show up and unfortunately sell my time and effort because I have to.

It's just that, in that instance I kind of had to take charge. They put me on the night shift and threatened to fire me when I couldn't complete the work before the last train because the day shift wasn't pulling their weight and leaving me behind with their incompetence. I told them this, they didn't listen, so I proved it by going over the lazy supervisor's head and asking what the issues there were that prevented the day shift from keeping up and solving them, basically just communicating. Night shift went from being the hands down hardest job in that field to the easiest because of me.

Lucem Ferre 11-04-2018 04:18 PM

Oh, it also didn't help that the night chef was having me do clean up for him, that I didn't know wasn't my responsibility, while he locked him self in the head chef's office to watch porn. And I'm not lying, they found out he was watching tons of porn cause the idiot didn't clear the history. That guy was disgusting too.

The Batlord 11-04-2018 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre (Post 2012142)
That's how I like it. I just want to show up and unfortunately sell my time and effort because I have to.

It's just that, in that instance I kind of had to take charge. They put me on the night shift and threatened to fire me when I couldn't complete the work before the last train because the day shift wasn't pulling their weight and leaving me behind with their incompetence. I told them this, they didn't listen, so I proved it by going over the lazy supervisor's head and asking what the issues there were that prevented the day shift from keeping up and solving them, basically just communicating. Night shift went from being the hands down hardest job in that field to the easiest because of me.

Never had that problem. I'm the morning guy and there's zero communication between any person at Burger King so I know **** all about what's happening at night. I mean I'm basically a crew leader (I'd get some small authority and a quarter pay raise) cause anyone who's back in the kitchen with me basically does what I say cause I'm the nucleus of the whole morning kitchen thing but I hate telling people what to do so I never get an actual promotion and I don't want it cause even that bitchass promotion means I got to deal with more bull**** just for a quarter more.

Really all I want to do is show up to collect a check but BK thinks I should want more than that cause of course anyone who works there should want to become a manager even though there's still probably a glass ceiling at the district or regional manager position where if you want to move up and be truly corporate you probably have to have never worked in a poverty restaurant in your life, and even if that's not true then you have to be willing to fire someone at the drop of a hat who needs their job to support their three children who barely even have shoes.

**** that. I know some people cry out to be fired for being worthless ****s who make everyone else's lives hard by not doing their jobs, but I'm morally opposed to firing people. I'm just some guy. Why should I protect my job by ****ing with someone's ability to feed their children? No matter how you dress up being a manager that's ultimately what it amounts to and at some point I'd have to make that call and I'd have to justify why my money was more important than their money.

Lucem Ferre 11-04-2018 04:46 PM

If you do it right, you don't really have to tell people what to do that often. Just lay out what needs to be done and let them decide how or who does it. Actually, in most cases, having a supervisor or a crew leader is almost unneeded if the the whole crew communicates properly. Their basic roll is just delivering information on what needs to be done and what got done between two different factions. Just so happens that most people treat it like an authoritarian roll because they need the power trip or some stupid ego bull****.

Edit: I have no remorse in firing somebody for being a lazy prick. You can tell who's the lazy prick in most cases. But often times they shove under-trained people into overwhelming situations and they under-perform because nobody communicated that they are doing this, that, or the other wrong and they end up getting an unfair reputation.

The Batlord 11-04-2018 05:03 PM

I agree that crews often don't really need a leader. We're conditioned to work under a leader so we do what we're told to do as well as we can do it and let the manager piece it together. If you gave the crew a reason to care about doing the job (i.e. a financial stake) we'd bang out the job like mother****ers without any need for a person to take charge, and the lack of one would actually encourage individual positions to communicate more rather than just sit in their positions and wait for some ******* to tell us what to do, which encourages a lack of communication.

Zhanteimi 11-04-2018 05:30 PM

I had a fun birthday weekend. Put together LEGO Hogwarts (took three days), drank a fair bit, and listened to a lot of my favorite music.


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