What does this word mean? Is this the secret behind free will?!

Yes.

What I said was fairly clear and understandable.

It's nothing like your "soul death" nonsense.

Are you being ironic or do you really dismiss my argument as nothing more than making fun? I assure you it wasn't.

I didn't read it properly, I was upset.


If everything is predetermined then what sets us apart is our consciousness. That awareness would be what we call free will. Regardless predetermination isn't actually proven. Yet.

Edit: Quantum particles being the evidence against predetermination so far.

How is it nonsense? If you have no free will then accepting that in your mind 100% in an existential way would destroy your concept of yourself as you knew it. There's no hope in you accomplishing anything, simply hope that the universe unravels in a way that benefits you. You can't live like that, or at least society isn't yet capable of molding people to live like that.

So free will is a meaningless and unnecessary concept. We could also just talk about consciousness
Even if the universe is not predetermined and there is randomness, for example due to quantum mechanics, this doesn't imply free will. Then we are just slaves to chance instead of predetermination.

What do you mean "sets us apart"? How does it set us apart? It's just another thing.

A Christian argument.

Because you won't lose your sense of self just because you don't think you actually choose that's ****ing stupid.

Which is why I said you don't know how to handle the idea and it confuses you. In all reality you'll just accept it and live just as you are now. Well, research shows that some people tend to lose value in morality and tend to act more in self interest but it really depends on your perception.

Free will is the ability to choose. It's not meaningless.

I already made that point about quantum mechanics having nothing to do with free will. Just simply stating that they contradict predetermination that you lean on as evidence for the lack of free will.

I mean it's what makes us different from pool balls. Or any inanimate object. They are not conscious regardless of being other things. Not hard to understand, Batlord. I'm not a ****ing genius, my words aren't that complex.

No, because it's not relying on ignorance as proof and it's not avoiding the point with condescending statements like 'you just aren't there yet'.

It's evidence of randomness in the universe that directly contradicts predetermination.