jwb

It's not even just moral character, it's decisions you make and how they affect your life

It's just as much a matter of strategy as morality.

The Batlord

And what about the adults? What about the grandparents? Those generations existed as cogs in a multigenerational machine that existed with rules passed down by thousands of years of ancestors. And every one of those generations had rules and expectations laid down to them by every generation before them. And the very concept of what constitutes an adult was laid down to every single Hitler Youth by people who grew up in a world without Hitler as a dictator.

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jwb

But being a good Nazi wasn't a function of adulthood. Children were no more free to stray from the cult than adults were. Adults are just inherently more useful.

That's not cause they're more malleable. If anything it's the opposite. That's why gangs in South America typically try to recruit around age 10.

But adults are obliviously more useful and productive than children. That's true whether you're talking about Nazi Germany, the zetas cartel, or the peace corps.

The Batlord

OMFG you're trying to not see what I'm saying. Nazi Germany could not have influenced children if it did not espouse what the adult generation saw as how children should act. The adults would not have voted for Hitler. And generations before that generation, and before that generation, and before that generation, etc, etc, etc. It all fed into each generation.

Stop looking at the Nazis as a blip in German culture who existed distinct from everything before them. The Nazis could not have existed if they did not serve some purpose of the generation before them. It's all adults raising children and the adults (grandparents) who raised those adults now raising children and the Nazis were a part of that and could not have existed if they were anathema to the generation who were at the time raising children.

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jwb

I just don't see how this undercuts the idea that it's a good trait to be enduring and self sufficient.

Yes the Nazis needed adults to make their society work; all societies do. The fact that it was an evil society doesn't matter as far as that goes. Every society has the same dynamic, regardless of how evil or noble you consider them

So really your critique us more about the very idea of social norms than it is about adulthood.

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I prefer the old school

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wtf??

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The f uck is that rich people get away with murder. And by murder I mean literally killing people.

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jwb

you have reliably waffled between saying yes choice matters to no it doesn't

You literally once says nobody argues choice doesn't matter at all

And now that's exactly what you're saying

Yes choice is influenced by a whole variety of factors including upbringing but also including ideology

So then by that logic, the seriousness with which you approach your choices is yet another part of the determinist matrix that decides what those choices will be.