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Plankton 03-17-2021 04:44 AM

Great news!

The Batlord 03-18-2021 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 2166680)
you ever think about how weird Uber/Lyft is

like we all just get in strangers cars now

And the company exists to develop self driving cars that put their workforce out on the streets but no one cares because workers are pawns for the magnificence of "geniuses" who will take the middle class to a next level of existence.

The Batlord 03-18-2021 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 2166682)
yeah but it's not like I'm calling a cab

and I always use self-checkout

What does that have to do with anything?

adidasss 03-18-2021 08:39 PM

The future of real communism lies in full automation. Only when all people are liberated from labor will there be a chance for true equality!

I read that sometimes somewhere and it seems like it could work. :/

SGR 03-18-2021 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 2166688)
but enough people get out out of work and you've got troops for a revolution

More like an army of docile, fat, porn-consuming, netflix binging couch potatoes. Good luck with the revolution.

The Batlord 03-18-2021 09:22 PM

There's plenty of people out of work from industrial jobs and it didn't tip the world to revolution. It simply increased alienation which was a boon to the owning class. Alienation is a thing to be feared by the working class but apparently not by the owning class.

Automation is also a thing to be feared by the working class but which the ruling class greets again and again with indifference because so long as they aren't literally starving it doesn't matter what the working class don't like.

SGR 03-18-2021 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 2166691)
There's plenty of people out of work from industrial jobs and it didn't tip the world to revolution. It simply increased alienation which was a boon to the owning class. Alienation is a thing to be feared by the working class but apparently not by the owning class.

Automation is also a thing to be feared by the working class but which the ruling class greets again and again with indifference because so long as they aren't literally starving it doesn't matter what the working class don't like.

Alienation is obviously a counterweight to any kind of revolution. Revolutions require coordination and a focus and unified social purpose. Honestly - the more division the ruling class can instill in the lower classes, the better (for them). As long as they (lower class) fight amongst each other, they (ruling/owning class) can continue lining their pockets without true opposition.

Automation without some kind of UBI or mass re-education program(s) will spell disaster. Machines do not require maternity leave or health care insurance, which is obviously why the owning class is very much in favor of it. Over the long run, it increases their profit margins and decreases their risks.

adidasss 03-18-2021 09:41 PM

Yeah but in the (distant) future, everyone (or no one) will own the means of production, which will be fully automated. That's communism baby!

The Batlord 03-18-2021 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by SoundgardenRocks (Post 2166694)
Alienation is obviously a counterweight to any kind of revolution. Revolutions require coordination and a focus and unified social purpose. Honestly - the more division the ruling class can instill in the lower classes, the better (for them). As long as they (lower class) fight amongst each other, they (ruling/owning class) can continue lining their pockets without true opposition.

Automation without some kind of UBI or mass re-education program(s) will spell disaster. Machines do not require maternity leave or health care insurance, which is obviously why the owning class is very much in favor of it. Over the long run, it increases their profit margins and decreases their risks.

Precisely. So you can either side with the owning class and abandon morality the same as any slave driver with a whip as is easy, or you can figure out what it means to be a good person in opposition to that. Which is obviously hard and complicated.

SGR 03-18-2021 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by adidasss (Post 2166696)
Yeah but in the (distant) future, everyone (or no one) will own the means of production, which will be fully automated. That's communism baby!

How will no one own the means of production? You think there's a future in which all these automated machines/factories take care of themselves? You think they'll become self-sufficient and self-serving?

If so, we are no longer in a discussion about political philosophy, but rather in a discussion about survival between man and machine. An automated dystopia.


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