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Trollheart · 01-10-2021, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

He's 63 so I think that ship has sailed.

Yeah I mean mentally obviously. He may be 63 but mentally he's about 14?

~~jwb~~ · 01-10-2021, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

your argument is more with the English language

it's semantically natural to describe consciousness from a dualistic stand point

and it just so happens to also not matter

not from a dualistic standpoint, but as an emergent property

This is his fundamental problem: he doesn't know what the term emergent property means. He ascribes some sort of mysticism to it that is more properly attributed to dualism, where the mind is something independent of the brain.

The mind being an emergent property involves no such mysticism. Its a functionality that is utterly linked to and dependant on the brain. From wiki:

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In philosophy, systems theory, science, and art, emergence occurs when an entity is observed to have properties its parts do not have on their own, properties or behaviors which emerge only when the parts interact in a wider whole.

Its that simple. There's nothing ghostly or mystical about it. Scientists don't even have an understanding of how consciousness works yet but it is quite clearly an emergent property of the brain functioning.

OccultHawk · 01-10-2021, 01:03 PM

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emergent property of the brain functioning

But still you make ridiculous claims like the brain is different than the mind.

**Marie Monday** · 01-10-2021, 01:13 PM

I'm pretty sure he claimed no such thing

OccultHawk · 01-10-2021, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Marie Monday

I'm pretty sure he claimed no such thing

Yeah he did actually

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Originally Posted by jwb

The mind and the brain are two different things. And I don't see how your language preference matters at all. Nor do I see it reflected in any of the articles you've linked.

https://www.musicbanter.com/2149779-post90.html

**Marie Monday** · 01-10-2021, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk

Yeah he did actually

https://www.musicbanter.com/2149779-post90.html

oh sure but what he means by it makes sense

to clarify: the way you understand and frame it is different from what he actually means

OccultHawk · 01-10-2021, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Marie Monday

oh sure but what he means by it makes sense

to clarify: the way you understand and frame it is different from what he actually means

Goddamn. I don’t know how the evidence could be any more straightforward than what’s directly written above you. It’s no wonder people and by people I mean basically everyone believes such weird nonsense.

**Marie Monday** · 01-10-2021, 01:38 PM

ok so to use your phrasing, riddle me this:

is a loose brain (like in one of those gooey jars or whatever) the same as a mind?

~~jwb~~ · 01-10-2021, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk

But still you make ridiculous claims like the brain is different than the mind.

The brain is the hardware and the mind is the software that runs on the brain. There is a difference between the two you are just too monomaniacal to see it. That doesn't mean the mind isn't utterly dependant on the brain.

You can have a brain without a mind but you can't have a mind without a brain. I'm honestly surprised you have such a hard time understanding something so simple.

OccultHawk · 01-10-2021, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Marie Monday

ok so to use your phrasing, riddle me this:

is a loose brain (like in one of those gooey jars or whatever) the same as a mind?

Since the person would have to be dead, yes.

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The brain is the hardware and the mind is the software that runs on the brain

Yeah so you’ve said.