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The Batlord · 09-07-2019, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by jwb

Apparently I'm the only one incapable of helping myself, even though Lucem just told you that you said something similar to him. But yea. It's just me.

I know my fellow emotionally barren internet pseudo-humans. You can't fool me.

~~jwb~~ · 09-07-2019, 12:55 PM

You think you're emotionally barren? I don't see that in you at all. You seem pretty passionate about this to me.

Anteater · 09-07-2019, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk

Your advice was pay $25 for some fraudulent job seeker **** or be a telemarketer in rural Texas. I mean ****ing please just stop.

Don't be so ****ing dense. There are literally thousands of jobs across a variety of industries out there, none of which require you to go into an office or drive into a city somewhere or flip burgers or work manual labor. If what you just said was your big takeaway everything I've said across multiple threads now, then I dunno what to tell you at this point.

**Frownland** · 09-07-2019, 12:58 PM

Self improvement is dope but your advice wasn't that great or enlightening, man. You're really underestimating the competition for the majority of those roles. The ones with less competition (like telemarketing) are as desirable as flipping burgers.

Anteater · 09-07-2019, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

Self improvement is dope but your advice wasn't that great or enlightening, man. You're really underestimating the competition for the majority of those roles.

Well if you never try applying for any of them, I can safely say you have a 0% chance of success. And as I've pointed out on numerous other occasions, if you actually spend a little time on Facebook and connect with, I dunno, the hundreds upon hundreds of free job-seeking groups or entrepreneurial groups or whatever niche your looking for, you'll have a way better chance at connecting with someone who is actually hiring rather than submitting resumes to some office drone who doesn't even check their inbox.

Elph laughed at the suggestion to network if you want a better job, but it really is the best way to go. People are far more likely to hire you if they like you, know you and trust you to some extent before they even see a resume. The guy who bothers to show up when nobody else tried is the one who is going to get that salary and benefits and 3 weeks of vacation every year and profit sharing.

**Frownland** · 09-07-2019, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Anteater

Well if you never try applying for any of them, I can safely say you have a 0% chance of success.

Two things can be true at the same time.

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And as I've pointed out on numerous other occasions, if you actually spend a little time on Facebook and connect with, I dunno, the hundreds upon hundreds of free job-seeking groups or entrepreneurial groups or whatever niche your looking for, you'll have a way better chance at connecting with someone who is actually hiring rather than submitting resumes to some office drone who doesn't even check their inbox.

Do you actually have experience getting a non-telemarketing job like this? Because from what I've seen, those groups are overrun by spammers.

Anteater · 09-07-2019, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

Do you actually have experience getting a non-telemarketing job like this? Because from what I've seen, those groups are overrun by spammers.

That's why it helps to know what you are actually searching for and what you are qualified for in regards to a position. Or at least what you are open to doing.

If someone was trying to get in with a company early and they had Business Administration experience or something similar, I'd tell them to check out groups like the New York Startup Community or Dallas / Fort Worth Startup Community and keep track of what gets posted there, because a lot of decision makers for smaller, fast growing businesses will post jobs directly in those groups and not even go to a job board. And those groups aren't overloaded by spam since they are typically Closed groups.

Pet_Sounds · 09-07-2019, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre

Like, for ****s sake you're super smart and hyper aware but the moment you let life break your spirit it made all of it useless because now you utilize it to drag everybody down to your own level of despondency rather than do anything useful to us or yourself. I don't completely agree with ant and pet's idea that you can just effort yourself out of ****ed up situations and some people probably are doomed to failure and misery but there is absolutely a truth to the accountability that you have for finding your own happiness.

Whoa there, when did that become my idea?

**Frownland** · 09-07-2019, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Anteater

Elph laughed at the suggestion to network if you want a better job, but it really is the best way to go.

I agree but I don't think that FB and LinkedIn are as good for networking as you're portraying them to be. Explicit networking events and even chatting up people at bars n **** are waaaaaaay more likely to be fruitful. Also, and I know you'll hate me saying this, but I've gotten the same advice from a lot of privileged white folk. When I ask them for examples of how they used networking, 99 times out of 100 they were connecting to friends of their wealthy family or even having the family do the networking on their part. The advice you're putting forward is really as naive as the self-fulfilling prophecy of just giving up.

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Originally Posted by Anteater

That's why helps to know what you are actually searching for and what you are qualified for in regards to a position. Or at least what you are open to doing.

If someone was trying to get in with a company early and they had Business Administration experience or something similar, I'd tell them to check out groups like the New York Startup Community or Dallas / Fort Worth Startup Community and keep track of what gets posted there, because a lot of decision makers for smaller, fast growing businesses will post jobs directly in those groups and not even go to a job board. And those groups aren't overloaded by spam since they are typically Closed groups.

Have you actually had success from it though?

The spam is still present in closed groups especially since FB stopped providing support to groups last year. Maybe this was valuable advice 5 years ago, but it doesn't appear to be very relevant now.

The Batlord · 09-07-2019, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

I agree but I don't think that FB and LinkedIn are as good for networking as you're portraying them to be. Explicit networking events and even chatting up people at bars n **** are waaaaaaay more likely to be fruitful. Also, and I know you'll hate me saying this, but I've gotten the same advice from a lot of privileged white folk. When I ask them for examples of how they used networking, 99 times out of 100 they were connecting to friends of their wealthy family or even having the family do the networking on their part. The advice you're putting forward is really as naive as the self-fulfilling prophecy of just giving up.

Have you actually had success from it though?

The spam is still present in closed groups especially since FB stopped providing support to groups last year. Maybe this was valuable advice 5 years ago, but it doesn't appear to be very relevant now.

Doesn't Ant claim to own a business? So either he's the one advertising and therefore doesn't know how this works for the other side or he's a ****ing liar like we all thought he was.

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~~jwb~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Jul 2019 Posts: 4,403	You think you're emotionally barren? I don't see that in you at all. You seem pretty passionate about this to me.