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Frownland 05-04-2017 04:10 PM

Two wrongs may not make a right but they can definitely make a funny.

Key 05-04-2017 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1831842)

Also someone give me a cookie for not abusing my mod powers to make Chula's img a broken link :D.

You deserve a cookie once you finally man up and do what you want to do.

Lucem Ferre 05-05-2017 12:06 AM

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Originally Posted by 1blankmind (Post 1831786)
While i agree with your overall point, isn't it kind of like telling someone to be someone they're not when you say they should be like Batlord and not give a ****. Who Ki is is a guy who gives a ****.

Everybody gives a ****, it's just how you handle it. I guess it could be, but I think we'd be walking into paradox territory there. Saying nobody should tell others how to live their life is telling others how to live their life.

Key 05-05-2017 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre (Post 1832052)
Everybody gives a ****, it's just how you handle it. I guess it could be, but I think we'd be walking into paradox territory there. Saying nobody should tell others how to live their life is telling others how to live their life.

Unless you're randomly bringing someone into your point in order to provide an argument with no factual basis.

Oh wait.

The Batlord 05-05-2017 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Kiiii (Post 1832152)
Unless you're randomly bringing someone into your point in order to provide an argument with no factual basis.

Oh wait.

Whining at criticism doesn't really prove Lucem wrong.

Key 05-05-2017 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1832153)
Whining at criticism doesn't really prove Lucem wrong.

You consider this whining? Far be it from me to call someone out on their **** when the criticism doesn't make any sense.

Frownland 05-05-2017 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Kiiii (Post 1832152)
Unless you're randomly bringing someone into your point in order to provide an argument with no factual basis.

Oh wait.

He wrote it on the basis of you consistently being a bitch and that's as factual as it gets mate.

Key 05-05-2017 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1832156)
He wrote it on the basis of you consistently being a bitch and that's as factual as it gets mate.

The inaccuracy of this post proves my point. Thanks Frown.

Frownland 05-05-2017 10:35 AM

*post says Ki is a bitch*
*Ki huffs, puffs, and calls it inaccurate*

At least you're consistent.

Key 05-05-2017 10:37 AM

Defending myself is now considered whining. I'll make a note of it. I'll have my secretary get back to you.

Frownland 05-05-2017 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Kiiii (Post 1832159)
Defending myself is now considered whining. I'll make a note of it. I'll have my secretary get back to you.

Getting overly defensive when it's not needed is one of the pillars of whining come on now.

The Batlord 05-05-2017 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Kiiii (Post 1832159)
Defending myself is now considered whining. I'll make a note of it. I'll have my secretary get back to you.

Wembley in a skirt is not a secretary.

Lucem Ferre 05-05-2017 11:06 PM

It's I read the **** you talked about Batlord after he was temporarily banned and only during his temporary ban for what ever reason. You specifically said you were afraid of discussing music with Batlord here because he makes fun of your taste or ****s on it or what ever whiney bull**** you wanted to say to justify Plankton's decision.

So yeah, it was completely based in fact.

bulbasaur 05-05-2017 11:09 PM

who's the most intimidating mb member

Lucem Ferre 05-05-2017 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by bulbasaur (Post 1832386)
who's the most intimidating mb member

Frownland. You know the dude has some kind of obscure deadly martial arts he mastered as a kid because Karate was too cliche and uninspired.

Edit: Used to be ChelseaDagger, that sexy Mexican chick, because she was savage as ****.

bulbasaur 05-05-2017 11:14 PM

do you often stop yourself from replying to a thread because you see frownland was the last to post in it

Lucem Ferre 05-05-2017 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by bulbasaur (Post 1832388)
do you often stop yourself from replying to a thread because you see frownland was the last to post in it

No, but in that aspect probably JWB. He said he was going to rape me in the butt or something.

bulbasaur 05-05-2017 11:22 PM

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Frownland 05-06-2017 01:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre (Post 1832387)
Frownland. You know the dude has some kind of obscure deadly martial arts he mastered as a kid because Karate was too cliche and uninspired.

Edit: Used to be ChelseaDagger, that sexy Mexican chick, because she was savage as ****.

I'm honoured that you think I'd use anything but dumb brute force.

The Batlord 05-06-2017 03:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre (Post 1832384)
It's I read the **** you talked about Batlord after he was temporarily banned and only during his temporary ban for what ever reason. You specifically said you were afraid of discussing music with Batlord here because he makes fun of your taste or ****s on it or what ever whiney bull**** you wanted to say to justify Plankton's decision.

So yeah, it was completely based in fact.

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DwnWthVwls 05-06-2017 07:40 AM

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Originally Posted by bulbasaur (Post 1832388)
do you often stop yourself from replying to a thread because you see frownland was the last to post in it

Not as often as I rush to reply when I see you post <3

Goofle 05-09-2017 09:38 AM

Chapter 5 – Equal Opportunity: Budget 2017's Gender Statement

Seems like Canada is making great strides in gender equality but focussing on issues that not only impact women, but also tackling issues that effect girls.

Oh... that's the same gender. Maybe next time.

Frownland 05-09-2017 09:40 AM

Tell me again about how men's rights activism isn't simply a philosophy of anti-feminist contrarianism.

Goofle 05-09-2017 09:51 AM

There's no philosophy. It would just be nice if there was equal treatment. When you're arguing in favour of Men you would be best served to state that outright - as opposed to simply calling yourself a "Human Rights Advocate".

In cases where issues affect both genders similarly you revert back to the broader definition. And swap over to Female when it affects women more.

Frownland 05-09-2017 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Goofle (Post 1833514)
There's no philosophy. It would just be nice if there was equal treatment. When you're arguing in favour of Men you would be best served to state that outright - as opposed to simply calling yourself a "Human Rights Advocate".

In cases where issues affect both genders similarly you revert back to the broader definition. And swap over to Female when it affects women more.

Ja that's about what I expected.

So that bill specifically, how does it create inequality for men? I didn't read it. It might be more convincing if you actually discuss what you see wrong with the bill instead of just going "lol, feminists amiright fellas?"

Goofle 05-09-2017 11:12 AM

Just a few excerpts, but I think if you gave it a reasonable skim you would see what I'm talking about. The term "Women" has 200 hits, whereas "Men" comes up 61 times.

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Frownland 05-09-2017 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Goofle (Post 1833526)
The term "Women" has 200 hits, whereas "Men" comes up 61 times.

Snazzy, irrelevant factoid you've got there.

So this is a big deal to you? Equal wages, increased representation for the underrepresented in both market and government, and curbing gender-based violence for the group that is experiencing it? Maybe the law seems unequally dismissive of men because they don't actually face these issues that the bill addresses on a wide scale. Kind of affirms the idea that men's rights activism is whiny anti-feminism at its core from where I'm sitting.

"When you're accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression."
-someone

Cuthbert 05-09-2017 11:27 AM

Anyway - Norwegian ruling party votes to ban circumcision for men under 16 years old | The Independent

Big them up.


Goofle 05-09-2017 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1833528)
So this is a big deal to you? Equal wages, increased representation for the underrepresented in both market and government, and curbing gender-based violence for the group that is experiencing it? Maybe the law seems unequally dismissive of men because they don't actually face these issues that the bill addresses on a wide scale. Kind of affirms the idea that men's rights activism is whiny anti-feminism at its core from where I'm sitting.

I know you understand the wage gap stuff so let's scoot past that.

How exactly are the government going to promote equal representation in business or government without some kind of forced affirmative action?

Domestic violence shouldn't be a gendered issue, and the disparity between the genders isn't particularly wide.

Goofle 05-09-2017 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1833527)
The world is slanted against women that's why the gov steps in and legislates for them (in left of center countries)

Any proof of this?

Frownland 05-09-2017 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Goofle (Post 1833534)

How exactly are the government going to promote equal representation in business or government without some kind of forced affirmative action?

I was going to say forced affirmative action and male genocide but I guess that's not an option for MRA snowflakes.

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Domestic violence shouldn't be a gendered issue, and the disparity between the genders isn't particularly wide.
So let me know if you actually come up with anything bad about that part of the bill.

Goofle 05-09-2017 12:05 PM

The women and girls part. Because equality.

Frownland 05-09-2017 12:11 PM

Man, this mantra of "men's rights is not just a bunch of whiny bull****" is really starting to fall apart.

Goofle 05-09-2017 12:14 PM

Again, wanting equal treatment for men is whiny, but you're out here taking about how legitimate affirmative action programmes are when in favour of women.

Frownland 05-09-2017 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Goofle (Post 1833549)
Again, wanting equal treatment for men is whiny, but you're out here taking about how legitimate affirmative action programmes are when in favour of women.

Well, when you see a bill addressing issues that specifically affect women on a greater scale than men and can't get past the fact that a bill addressing issues that specifically affect women doesn't also focus on men, it is absolutely whiny bull****. That's because a bill addressing issues that specifically affect women does not define a government's actions towards or ability to protect men's rights.

Just because the spotlight is momentarily not on you doesn't mean that you live your life in the shadows.

Cuthbert 05-09-2017 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1833576)
You can't be serious

You know he's serious so just give us some proof mate.

rostasi 05-09-2017 01:55 PM

I'm so angry! My state Board of Education put out some info about how they want to increase money and opportunities for more math and science education in our local schools ("Science, Technology, Engineering and Math In Secondary Education") and I'm really pissed that the proposal mostly talks about science and math. I mean, they only talk about the dire needs of the Athletics division - oh, maybe just only a third of the time! I mean, damn! Why isn't there equal representation for athletes!!! They're treated like they're some kind of second-class citizens or something!!!! I'm all for equality for all the areas of education, but the athletics department never gets the funding or even the proper attention that it so rightly deserves! I think I'll join an anti-STEM group! That'll show 'em!!!






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Goofle 05-09-2017 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1833551)
Well, when you see a bill addressing issues that specifically affect women on a greater scale than men and can't get past the fact that a bill addressing issues that specifically affect women doesn't also focus on men, it is absolutely whiny bull****. That's because a bill addressing issues that specifically affect women does not define a government's actions towards or ability to protect men's rights.

Just because the spotlight is momentarily not on you doesn't mean that you live your life in the shadows.

Domestic violence is pretty much a 50/50 split in Canada. Also there's I think one solitary men's shelter for domestic violence victims in Canada, even if the percentage was more like 60/40, wouldn't you consider it slightly unequal to have almost no government funding in that area for men?

Goofle 05-09-2017 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by rostasi (Post 1833582)
I'm so angry! My state Board of Education put out some info about how they want to increase money and opportunities for more math and science education in our local schools ("Science, Technology, Engineering and Math In Secondary Education") and I'm really pissed that the proposal mostly talks about science and math. I mean, they only talk about the dire needs of the Athletics division - oh, maybe just only a third of the time! I mean, damn! Why isn't there equal representation for athletes!!! They're treated like they're some kind of second-class citizens or something!!!! I'm all for equality for all the areas of education, but the athletics department never gets the funding or even the proper attention that it so rightly deserves! I think I'll join an anti-STEM group! That'll show 'em!!!






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Yeah great point dude. That's totally the same as writing legislation that specifically priorities women over men in most situations.

Frownland 05-09-2017 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Goofle (Post 1833583)
Domestic violence is pretty much a 50/50 split in Canada. Also there's I think one solitary men's shelter for domestic violence victims in Canada, even if the percentage was more like 60/40, wouldn't you consider it slightly unequal to have almost no government funding in that area for men?

No.

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Originally Posted by Goofle (Post 1833585)
Yeah great point dude. That's totally the same as writing legislation that specifically priorities women over men in most situations.

Wait, which legislation are you referring to here?


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