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rostasi 05-17-2017 09:01 PM

New Hampshire State Rep Who Created Reddit’s ‘Red Pill’ Resigns

Goofle 05-17-2017 10:53 PM

Wrong thread?

o.j. I am aware that it's a common misconception to equate that subreddit with the men's rights movement. Some overlap exists between many layers of the so-called "manosphere", but I don't really think guilt by association is particularly great.

How's this for a question: If a misogynist hated Trump, would you agree with him?

rostasi 05-18-2017 09:29 AM

You're undying love for the Red Pill-heads in this thread and elsewhere - a movement created by this guy who corralled all these women-hating whiny little bitches into a crusade that even birthed a toe-curling movie that projects and audible "eewwww" extolled by this fantasy world of yours/theirs - gives a completely justifiable reason for posting this news here as a retort. To try to wiggle out of discussions concerning the downfalls and idiotspotting of some of the "men's rights" "heroes" by using weakly associated analogies is a pretty evasive tactic.

Goofle 05-18-2017 12:12 PM

Great word salad that is barely comprehensible.

Do. You. Have. A. Response. To. My. Question?

Tristan_Geoff 05-18-2017 12:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Goofle (Post 1836804)
How's this for a question: If a misogynist hated Trump, would you agree with him?

You're a ****ing idiot if you think this Goofle. I can follow your reasonings 90% of the time but little strawman arguments like this aren't gonna further your point anymore.

Of course you can agree with someone's opinions even if you don't agree with all of them, the enemy of my enemy and whatever, but of course you agreeing with the misogynist isn't going to cause any cognitive dissonance or "red pill" you.

Key 05-18-2017 12:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Goofle (Post 1836804)

How's this for a question: If a misogynist hated Trump, would you agree with him?

I don't even know where to begin to explain how stupid of a question this is.

The Identity Matrix 05-18-2017 12:18 PM

Im confused about the point of this thread...

I thought trump had his own thread.

Goofle 05-18-2017 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Kiiii (Post 1837011)
I don't even know where to begin to explain how stupid of a question this is.

It's a completely relevant question to the post I was responding to, which was clearly made as an attempt to make the Men's Rights movement look bad by association with a particular subreddit/person.

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Originally Posted by Mrs. Tristan Rosenstock (Post 1837010)
You're a ****ing idiot if you think this Goofle. I can follow your reasonings 90% of the time but little strawman arguments like this aren't gonna further your point anymore.

Of course you can agree with someone's opinions even if you don't agree with all of them, the enemy of my enemy and whatever, but of course you agreeing with the misogynist isn't going to cause any cognitive dissonance or "red pill" you.

What? It was a pretty simple point I was making, and you even answered my question. I'm confused why it's made you angry.

Simply put: The red pill subreddit isn't about Men's Rights, but some MRA's may use it. And if you agree with a men's rights point made within the subreddit, you're not automatically advocating for everything said within the subreddit.

Please spare me any attempt to insist this is a hard concept to grasp.

Tristan_Geoff 05-18-2017 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Goofle (Post 1837019)
What? It was a pretty simple point I was making, and you even answered my question. I'm confused why it's made you angry.

Simply put: The red pill subreddit isn't about Men's Rights, but some MRA's may use it. And if you agree with a men's rights point made within the subreddit, you're not automatically advocating for everything said within the subreddit.

Please spare me any attempt to insist this is a hard concept to grasp.

Right, I wasn't necessarily angry and I do agree with this post to, but the original question asked just seemed so misinformed to me that it kinda grinded my gears, no disrespect to you though.

Goofle 05-18-2017 12:34 PM

That's not my problem. As I said, it was a particularly easy question to understand.

The Batlord 05-18-2017 12:34 PM

I quite like Goofle's men's rights ****storms tbh.

Key 05-18-2017 12:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Goofle (Post 1837019)
It's a completely relevant question to the post I was responding to, which was clearly made as an attempt to make the Men's Rights movement look bad by association with a particular subreddit/person.

I didn't say it wasn't relevant, but your apparent ignorance for the "you can agree with someone on some things but not other things" is completely clear. You're basically asking "if a racist didn't like Trump, would you agree with him?" well yes, but that doesn't automatically mean I agree with racism.

Goofle 05-18-2017 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Kiiii (Post 1837031)
I didn't say it wasn't relevant, but your apparent ignorance for the "you can agree with someone on some things but not other things" is completely clear. You're basically asking "if a racist didn't like Trump, would you agree with him?" well yes, but that doesn't automatically mean I agree with racism.

Are you actually being serious here? Did you really feel the need to make that point as if it wasn't blindingly obvious to anyone?

Key 05-18-2017 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Goofle (Post 1837033)
Are you actually being serious here? Did you really feel the need to make that point as if it wasn't blindingly obvious to anyone?

it seems like the only one who isn't catching onto it is you.

Tristan_Geoff 05-18-2017 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Goofle (Post 1837033)
Are you actually being serious here? Did you really feel the need to make that point as if it wasn't blindingly obvious to anyone?

I think that's the reason we were all confused as to why you would ask the question in the first place.

Goofle 05-18-2017 12:40 PM

@ Ki - Your incorrect interpretation of what happened doesn't change what really happened, dude.

Key 05-18-2017 12:41 PM

What exactly was anyone supposed to take from your question then?

The Batlord 05-18-2017 12:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Goofle (Post 1837033)
Are you actually being serious here? Did you really feel the need to make that point as if it wasn't blindingly obvious to anyone?

If it makes you feel any better I get your point. I still think men's rights is a haven for butthurt, whiny bitches who probably can't get laid or whose mothers are overbearing ****s. But I understand your point.

DwnWthVwls 05-18-2017 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1837044)
If it makes you feel any better I get your point.

Same..

DwnWthVwls 05-18-2017 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Kiiii (Post 1837041)
What exactly was anyone supposed to take from your question then?

I thought it was pretty clear that just because some retard MRA created the redpill sub-reddit it doesn't mean that all MRAs are like that.

Maybe instead of instinctually shitting on everything Goofle says in here you should try comprehending his point first?

Goofle 05-18-2017 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls (Post 1837054)
I thought it was pretty clear that just because some retard MRA created the redpill sub-reddit it doesn't mean that all MRAs are like that.

Thanks, but that's still kinda off base. /r/TheRedPill is pretty much about exploiting the current system, pro-masculinity, Pick-Up Artistry and a layer of genuine misogyny. I very much doubt the guy is or was an MRA.

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1837044)
I still think men's rights is a haven for butthurt, whiny bitches who probably can't get laid or whose mothers are overbearing ****s.

I suppose everyone who's asking for equal rights or equal treatment comes across as whiny at times. I think this comes across more for MRA's because most people simply can't even comprehend why there is any need fo their existence in the first place.

Also I understand it was a joke even if you agree with the sentiments.

Key 05-18-2017 01:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls (Post 1837054)

Maybe instead of instinctually shitting on everything Goofle says in here you should try comprehending his point first?

I've tried to comprehend his points but he's so obnoxiously conservative that he gives Trump a run for his money.

Goofle 05-18-2017 01:01 PM

I'm far more conservative than Trump.

Cuthbert 05-18-2017 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls (Post 1837054)

Maybe instead of instinctually shitting on everything Goofle says in here you should try comprehending his point first?

.

Blank. 05-18-2017 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Kiiii (Post 1837064)
I've tried to comprehend his points but he's so obnoxiously conservative that he gives Trump a run for his money.

Trump isn't a conservative.

The Identity Matrix 05-18-2017 01:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kiiii (Post 1837064)
I've tried to comprehend his points but he's so obnoxiously conservative that he gives Trump a run for his money.

Please don't use trump as an example of conservatism. It makes us look bad. The guy couldn't explain conservative ideals to anyone along the campaign trail. It breaks my heart to think that those who lean conservative are going to be dealing with that stigma for a long time.

EDIT: didn't see blank's post.

Key 05-18-2017 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by 1blankmind (Post 1837073)
Trump isn't a conservative.

You guys miss my point worse that Goofle tries to make one.

The Identity Matrix 05-18-2017 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Kiiii (Post 1837078)
You guys miss my point worse that Goofle tries to make one.

I know what you are trying to say. Your wording was incorrect though and I wanted to make you aware of that.

Goofle 05-18-2017 01:13 PM

We weren't responding to your point.

Key 05-18-2017 01:14 PM

I don't differentiate Conservative and Republican ideals if that's what you're referring to. It's all under the same umbrella.

The Identity Matrix 05-18-2017 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Kiiii (Post 1837081)
I don't differentiate Conservative and Republican ideals if that's what you're referring to. It's all under the same umbrella.

And trump doesn't fall under those.

Blank. 05-18-2017 01:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kiiii (Post 1837081)
I don't differentiate Conservative and Republican ideals if that's what you're referring to. It's all under the same umbrella.

You should. What you're saying is like calling all extreme metal bands death metal.

Key 05-18-2017 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by The Identity Matrix (Post 1837083)
And trump doesn't fall under those.

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1blankmind (Post 1837084)
You should. What you're saying is like calling all extreme metal bands death metal.

You guys can't be serious.

Blank. 05-18-2017 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Kiiii (Post 1837087)
You guys can't be serious.

So should I call everyone who's registered as a Democrat a liberal?

The Batlord 05-18-2017 01:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Goofle (Post 1837063)
I suppose everyone who's asking for equal rights or equal treatment comes across as whiny at times. I think this comes across more for MRA's because most people simply can't even comprehend why there is any need fo their existence in the first place.

Also I understand it was a joke even if you agree with the sentiments.

I agree with certain MRA points, but mostly because I think the social pendulum that was previously on the misogynist side (before the 60s I guess) has swung too far to the other side to an extent and, at least in the marketplace of ideas, men's issues are largely ignored or marginalized. However I do not think that that equates to inequality, but just an equal and opposite reaction that is temporarily shafting men in some ways.

But in general the MRA's that I've seen are butthurt whiners.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kiiii (Post 1837081)
I don't differentiate Conservative and Republican ideals if that's what you're referring to. It's all under the same umbrella.

Nah, Republicans are like post-grunge to conservatism's Nirvana.

Key 05-18-2017 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by 1blankmind (Post 1837089)
So should I call everyone who's registered as a Democrat a liberal?

It all falls under the same umbrella, yes. Give or take a few differences.

Goofle 05-18-2017 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1837085)
lol oh god

I'm by no way a political or social conservative by the way. I have more Libertarian/An-Cap leanings, but since I don't see Trump as a particularly conservative guy I think it is a fair comment.

Blank. 05-18-2017 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1837092)
No

But Trump is quintessentially conservative if we go by his policy

No, he's really not. Most conservatives, like myself, feel his polices are too far left leaning.

Key 05-18-2017 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1837095)
There are Democrats that are basically conservatives

Well yes. I'm not saying things specifically as would deter from my initial thought process. I'm only implying that most beliefs that come from liberals have the tendency to fall on the Democratic side. I don't disagree with you at all, I'm just explaining myself.

Key 05-18-2017 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by 1blankmind (Post 1837096)
No, he's really not. Most conservatives, like myself, feel his polices are too far left leaning.

Please elaborate.


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