Why does there seem to be a stigma attached to advocate for Men's Rights?

rostasi · 05-09-2017, 05:21 PM

Dead in the water. He doesn't understand analogies.

Hey! I was wondering. Since the "Gerudo" race only consists of women and
part of the Spirit Temple floor plan is shaped like a uterus with fallopian tubes,
why haven't we heard of a Zelda ban from this White Nationalist cult?

**Goofle** · 05-09-2017, 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

Have one of those analogies you're so fond of:
Say there was a bill trying to combat the rising number of hate crimes towards Muslims. If Christianity isn't mentioned in the bill despite hate crimes towards Christians being rare, is it biased towards Christians?

And as I've explained, some of the issues raised are not gendered. Domestic violence is about a 50/50 rate in Canada - so why focus almost entirely on women? You can claim these issues mainly affect women but firstly we need to identify if they are actually problems (wage gap, STEM field participation, political representation), and if they are, do they affect women at a vastly disproportionate rate, justifying an almost complete focus on that one gender?

Also note that I'm not suggesting we need more men in higher education, despite being overtaken by women in recent years. It's not a problem.

DwnWthVwls · 05-09-2017, 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Goofle

Domestic violence is pretty much a 50/50 split in Canada. Also there's I think one solitary men's shelter for domestic violence victims in Canada, even if the percentage was more like 60/40, wouldn't you consider it slightly unequal to have almost no government funding in that area for men?

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Originally Posted by Frownland

No.

Curious, why no? If his stats are true, I don't see how you could take a position that it is not unfair. You may not care or you can make an argument to explain why women need more shelters, but it is certainly not balanced.

**Frownland** · 05-09-2017, 07:19 PM

I'm mainly just not about the idea that a bill that benefits women equates to a government mistreating men.

Norway makes circumcision illegal for boys under 16. WHY IS JT GENDERED?

DwnWthVwls · 05-09-2017, 09:26 PM

O, I'm not equating it with the mistreatment of men, but you can admit it's unbalanced and is an issue worth addressing no? Again, assuming those stats are correct, it seems like there should definitely be more mens shelters.

**Frownland** · 05-09-2017, 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls

O, I'm not equating it with the mistreatment of men, but you can admit it's unbalanced and is an issue worth addressing no? Again, assuming those stats are correct, it seems like there should definitely be more mens shelters.

I'd have to look into what Canada does as a whole, not just with that bill. A standard homeless shelter is essentially a men's shelter in itself. That creates a need for women's shelters because (and I'm sure this will be controversial to some) men are more likely to sexually assault someone than women and that creates an unsafe environment for them.

tl;dr those bitches need a safe space.

DwnWthVwls · 05-09-2017, 10:10 PM

I'll just move my edit here since you didn't quote it I assume you missed it.

Edit: You can have underrepresentation and inequality without mistreatment. It's kind of a byproduct of society changing faster than policy/legislation/social support programs.

**Frownland** · 05-09-2017, 10:23 PM

I didn't miss it, I just ignored it.

That's definitely true and is kind of the backbone of my own point tbh. Do you think that the uneven ratio of women representatives in Canada is an example of underrepresented but equal? Or are you making a semantic argument about my use of the word mistreatment?

Key · 05-09-2017, 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

I didn't miss it, I just ignored it.

So basically your approach to any debate. At least you finally admit it.

DwnWthVwls · 05-09-2017, 10:32 PM

No, I think we agree, I was just clarifying. I think MRAs have some valid positions, but it's often presented poorly like the way Goofle does.

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Frownland SOPHIE FOREVER Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: East of the Southern North American West Posts: 35,548	I didn't miss it, I just ignored it. That's definitely true and is kind of the backbone of my own point tbh. Do you think that the uneven ratio of women representatives in Canada is an example of underrepresented but equal? Or are you making a semantic argument about my use of the word mistreatment? __________________ Studies show that when a given norm is changed in the face of the unchanging, the remaining contradictions will parallel the truth. d e a f b o x

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rostasi . Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 4,007	Dead in the water. He doesn't understand analogies. Hey! I was wondering. Since the "Gerudo" race only consists of women and part of the Spirit Temple floor plan is shaped like a uterus with fallopian tubes, why haven't we heard of a Zelda ban from this White Nationalist cult?