Originally Posted by jwb

Yea there is the calvinist approach

But in either case there is no ambiguity about what is right or wrong. There's God's perfect standard and then there's humanities failure to live up to it/willful rebellion against it.

That's why the idea of moral progress is antithetical to the biblical narrative. Because in the beginning, before the fall, everything perfect. There is no room for progress when you start with perfection.

Then humanity fell from grace and from there on the biblical narrative is God reminding humans what is right and what they should do, and them falling short again and again.

Then Christ comes to offer redemption to those who want it and is crucified for humanity's sins. When he's supp