The #metoo thread (sexual assault and/or misconduct discussion)
 

Since our mods are too lazy to move that whole discussion in the netflix thread to a separate thread, here it is because :drummer: :

Louis C.K. Performs First Stand-Up Set Since Misconduct Scandal

Well of course he didn't.

Well of course he did.

So basically, he took a bit of a holiday, and everything's peachy now...except:
But y'know...they had it comin' I guess...women, amirite? :/

I’ve thought that he deserves a second chance, though it’s very weird how this all went down. He didn’t address it at all? I mean I know he made a public statement about it but doing it again in person before a set after 10 months of reflection would have been the smart move I think.

Definitely expected him to touch on the scandal at least.

The backlash to the women is gross but I think it kind of reflects a lot of the structural enabling of this kind of behaviour like with Nassir, the Catholic church, and Hollywood/Weinstein. Louis was basically the king of modern comedy in a well-connected scene, so a lot of comedians saw the scandal as a threat to their industry and behaved ****tily in order to protect it.

Hopefully he has new material soon, he's still a hysterical fellow.

Respectfully disagree. Anybody that has been found guilty of sexual misconduct or otherwise to anybody is no longer eligible for a second chance.

Well we've already put in our .02 on this, I think there are varying levels of sexual misconduct and what he did comes across as someone with some issues and he probably did not realize that what he was doing was very wrong. Compare that to someone like Weinstein who absolutely knew what he was doing was horrible. People can learn and become better, I think one can make even worse mistakes than Louis did and still redeem themselves.

Separate the art from the artist, but if he doesn't try to cover that **** in his act at some point then he has no balls. Even just on an artistic level if he acts like that's forbidden territory then it will create a disconnect with him as a person and him as a comedian while making him look like a bitch.

Ditto.

He got away with it for a long time, and then the jig was up. The best thing to do would have been to lie on that pile of money he made (and will continue to make I'm sure from tv rights) and stay quiet and out of sight. If he had some decency he would have at least addressed the issue, but it takes some nerve to just continue as if nothing happened. If I was in that crowd I sure as fuck would have said something. Goes to show what kind of a society we live in.

I don't get how consensual sexual relations is now being considered sexual assault.

What would only be considered sexual harassment or misconduct if there was no consent.

Thoughtless on his part for not realizing that they might say yes because of how notorious the industry is for having people of authority force this on others as a means to determine their career, it's still something they consented to. Their assumptions of what he may do if they said no doesn't justify calling it sexual assault if they consented.

People grow, people learn, people change. I'm sure he has. You can't truly be self righteous enough to think he is unforgivable. Putting him on par with Kevin Spacey or Bill Cosby is unfair.

Time will tell. Also: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/10/a...statement.html

I don't necessarily disagree actually. I'm all for forgiving people if they are willing to put in the effort to deserve it. The specific sexual assault topic is more so what I was talking about when coming to forgiveness, and we all know why. But I'm not against attempting to forgive somebody regardless of what they did in a lot of cases. I mean, I legit feel bad for people on Death Row and some of their stories are genuinely make you go like "well, maybe they weren't as bad as I initially thought." So I do see it both ways.

I mean it's all conjecture but I wouldn't be surprised if he knew full well they'd consent just because of who he was.

I mean now...;)

He admitted that he knew that he knew he was using the fact that they looked up to and admired him as a factor. Still not sexual assault, still not unforgivable.

Famous, powerful people aren't allowed to have any kind of sexual relations. Problem solved.

Sure, it's sexual misconduct and abuse of power. Something that should make him distinctly less funny to most people. Or judging by the reaction of that crowd, not really. :/

Is it really that shocking that people can laugh at funny jokes?

Take an awkward, relatively unattractive dude who’s probably had little success in sexual advances or outgoing social attempts his entire life and then suddenly make him rich and powerful. That kind of thing will go to someone’s head and I really can’t blame them for it. The psychological implications of this whole thing are really sad to think about honestly. Fame and power can just fall into certain lucky people’s laps and they have no idea what to do with it or how to cope with it. I still firmly believe Louis has a good heart but made some serious mistakes and needs to face some consequences. That doesn’t seem he can never be forgiven or that he can’t still be funny

I'm gonna do a bit of a hyperbole, I'm not equating the situation but for argument's sake, let's imagine that Bill Cosby is funny, like Louis is/was, and you have the knowledge that he raped all those women, would his jokes still be funny? Or maybe not so much, because a creepy rapist says them?

Well, on some level, something similar is happening here. Or should happen. For me anyway...I can't just disassociate the person from their art...at least not a comedian...

But to each their own...:/

That's pretty unrealistic, dude.

Per your analogy, yes, I would laugh if I found it funny. Of course I'd view it through the lens of how I would view him but if he was talking about pudding pops and made a funny that lens wouldn't filter out my yuks. If he was talking about Spanish Fly....oof. I think that a lot of people will be viewing Louis through the lens of his scandal and I think he knows that and will plan his material accordingly.

Any word on what kind of topics he covered in his new performance?

Pretty much my opinion as well, but with a touch more righteous indignation. Whether or not he has the ability to still be funny doesn't really matter, it's just forever changed the way I look at him and his art - before this came out I wanted to like everything he worked on, whereas now I'll always be resistant.

THANK YOU. Another person with common sense! :beer:

^ I don't understand why people come into a #metoo thread and argue about what is and isn't sexual assault when the movement is specifically about sexual assault and the victims / assaulters. Help me figure that one out.

I can only speak for myself. I posited that since Louis C.K. asked permission to masturbate in front of women who agreed, then there was no victim.

They consented, under no threat of violence or harm, probably thinking that doing so would help their career. When it didn't help their career, they cried foul.

Also, I don't think someone masturbating is sexual assault. You have free will to leave at any point.

The Louis C.K. incidents should not fall under the #MeToo category in my opinion.

It's a sexual advance towards an individual, so yes, it can fall under the same category.

I also think that is absolutely ridiculous. Had the movement not happened, tons of manipulative actors would still be getting away with sexual assault. Whether or not they are actively doing it doesn't matter. Once you do it, you have to own up to it. And to know that those actors would still be in movies and TV shows while they themselves fully know of what they did and aren't admitting to it? Hell, that's worse.

Speaking once again on the topic of consent. I know for a fact that it's nearly impossible to have many coherent thoughts going through your brain when you realize what is actually happening. The point that you "wake up" and see it is one of the most traumatizing things I can think of. In my experience, I unfortunately had a pretty visible view. But I'm not bringing that up to talk about it. I'm bringing it up to make a point. Yeah, he says they consented, but I don't hear people talking about the mental trauma it puts you through from start to finish. You couldn't begin to understand it because you've never been through it from what I can tell. It's seriously damaging and it's certainly had an effect on my adult life. So the whole mental thing is a serious issue when it comes to this. Don't disregard it because you simply don't believe it exists.

That's all I have to say. We've had this discussion before and frankly I'm surprised you're still allowed to talk about it after what you admitted in the previous thread.

What did I admit? What are you referring to?

Everytime someone brings it up you act like you've got no idea what we're talking about. Don't be that guy.

Let's see....victim shaming ring a bell?

I don't view them as victims. That's the root of it.

And that is why we cannot continue this discussion. I'm out of it. I've lost all my respect for you.

I have, and still do, see Louis' actions as wrong, pathetic and inexcusable.

I'm sorry that you feel that way.

The Geto Boys weren’t too good to use a little extra persuasion

I'm sorry you believe what you believe.

That’s also insulting to the men who work so hard at being powerful victimizers

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But you'll be damned if you side with some bitch, right? I'll bet she doesn't let her baby daddy see his kid too.

Merits just saying no one should just stand aside and be a victim

Y’all are taking **** the wrong way

And I can tell right now it’s gonna be a long day

i wonder if there’s a single intelligent female on earth that would agree with Merit’s bull****

OH agrees with him so I wager probably not.

Are you a virgin?