evolution and humans: nature vs society

~~jwb~~ · 12-11-2020, 10:48 PM

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The nature vs nurture distinction generally refers to what is genetic vs environmental

But those environmental factors are often if not always perfectly natural. That's why we're talking past each other. We need to clarify our terms.

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Lucem Ferre · 12-11-2020, 10:52 PM

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your genes are set from birth

The only genes that form around your environment would be if you get cancer from radiation or something like that which scrambles the DNA in certain cells.

The way the environment affects you more broadly is by affecting how your genes express themselves into building your phenotype.

And I'll lay down intergenerational trauma.

Mental illnesses being caused by extreme trauma and becoming part of the gene pool.

I've also heard of the environment effecting the color of your eyes.

~~jwb~~ · 12-11-2020, 11:05 PM

You'd have to be more specific I haven't heard of that.

But when you get into intergenerational, that muddies things up since technically speaking, all of your genes have been determined by a long intergenerational process known as evolution.

Lucem Ferre · 12-11-2020, 11:16 PM

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You'd have to be more specific I haven't heard of that.

But when you get into intergenerational, that muddies things up since technically speaking, all of your genes have been determined by a long intergenerational process known as evolution.

I just told ya, bitch.

I guess they'd call it epigenetic transmission. Which makes sense when I asked a therapist about it he thought I was talking about parents passing their trauma on through behavior causing trauma rather than passing it on through inherited mental illnesses caused by a parent's trauma.

Edit: Could be that we have the genes the whole time and what's being passed on is the chances of the gene being activated but me being a dumb dumb doesn't negate my point on towards OH.

OccultHawk · 12-12-2020, 03:05 AM

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the organism itself is part of the environment which renders the term environment functionally meaningless

Seriously. Yes. That’s it. Just stop there and meditate on that.

What Lucem is saying about epigenetics demonstrates a better understanding of biology than anything jwb has said.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nyt...genes.amp.html

~~jwb~~ · 12-12-2020, 07:14 AM

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The way the environment affects you more broadly is by affecting how your genes express themselves into building your phenotype.

... This is literally what your article says lol. Learn to read instead of constantly dick waving.

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The mark doesn’t directly damage the gene; there’s no mutation. Instead it alters the mechanism by which the gene is converted into functioning proteins, or expressed. The alteration isn’t genetic. It's epigenetic.

Lucem Ferre · 12-12-2020, 02:04 PM

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Seriously. Yes. That’s it. Just stop there and meditate on that.

What Lucem is saying about epigenetics demonstrates a better understanding of biology than anything jwb has said.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nyt...genes.amp.html

What we're saying is that there is a difference between inherited traits at birth and traits gained from the environment. What you're saying is there isn't because you believe the difference doesn't matter.

There, end of discussion. We're all on the same page.

~~jwb~~ · 12-12-2020, 02:49 PM

He doesn't seem to think any difference matters. Professor Hawk doesn't think there's a meaningful difference between learned behavior and instinct either. He has no time for nuance. That's because he really gets it. Not like we get it. He really gets it.

OccultHawk · 12-12-2020, 03:18 PM

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He doesn't seem to think any difference matters. Professor Hawk doesn't think there's a meaningful difference between learned behavior and instinct either. He has no time for nuance. That's because he really gets it. Not like we get it. He really gets it.

Church

Lucem Ferre · 12-12-2020, 03:47 PM

The most brilliant man to cut your fish.

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~~jwb~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Jul 2019 Posts: 4,403	You'd have to be more specific I haven't heard of that. But when you get into intergenerational, that muddies things up since technically speaking, all of your genes have been determined by a long intergenerational process known as evolution.

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~~jwb~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Jul 2019 Posts: 4,403	He doesn't seem to think any difference matters. Professor Hawk doesn't think there's a meaningful difference between learned behavior and instinct either. He has no time for nuance. That's because he really gets it. Not like we get it. He really gets it.