Slapped together a Goodreads review (read: rant) now that I've finished The Fires of Heaven.
Spoiler for Spoilers:
It's time to play the Fires of Heaven DRINKING GAME! Here's how you can play as you read along:
- Take 1 mouthful if a woman worries about the neckline of her dress.
- Take 1 mouthful if a woman threatens to strike a man for something petty.
- Take 1 mouthful if a braid is tugged, or loose hair is complained about.
- Take 1 mouthful if the words "scour his bones to ash" are used.
- Take 1 mouthful if an Aes Sedai is said to "stare" either "calmly" or "coldly".
- Take 1 shot if an important event is all but skipped over.
- Take 1 shot if a plot twist renders several hundred pages of writing completely irrelevant.
- Finish your glass if the One Power is used where the user doesn't know how they've used it.
I have been short of obsessed with the Wheel of Time series since picking up the Eye of the World this January, and I have followed it faithfully believing that all of my questions will be answered, all the sub-plots will come together, and the world will be saved. The Fires of Heaven is a misstep leaving me wondering if Robert Jordan knew what the hell he was doing the entire time.
To make a long story (I mean a loooooooooong story) short, Rand crosses the Aiel Waste and fights Couladin at Cairhein, and Nyaneve and Elayne travel to Salidar to meet with a gathering of Aes Sedai. And that is all that happens in 900 pages, until the last 60 where EVERYBODY BLOODY DIES in Robert Jordan's tradition of confusing the hell out of readers with a sudden climax of events.
I've been patient through all of the meandering, even in The Fires of Heaven, because I believed it was all building up to some enormously satisfying entanglement of plot, but after seeing 90% of the buildup squandered in what I presume is a plot twist (but looks much more like an easy way out in hindsight), I'm beginning to grow frustrated with Jordan's annoying habits.
Jordan's annoying habits include: slowly leading a plot in one direction, then suddenly jerking it down, which is more of a cheap way out of the mess he's made for his characters than anything else. For example, we have 2-3 books to this point building up the evil menaces of Lanfear and Rahvin, which lead the reader to believe these characters, evil bastards flirting with venomous behaviour, will corner our protagonists into moral dilemmas that will require more than the One Power to escape from. Instead of taking the opportunity to make them hateful in the long run however, Jordan feels some sort of pressure to deliver the action, and kills them off easily with the One Power before they've come to fruition.
Speaking of wasted characters, I want to pause here to mourn for Couladin, Pevin, and Asmodean. You would think that in a series busting at the seams with characters to remember, Jordan would at least do us the favour of putting those characters to use. Instead, he makes us memorize hundreds of names and descriptions only to wash his hands of them before they've played up to their full potential. Asmodean in particular I consider a great loss; there is much that could have been done with his knowledge, his humour, and above all else, the fact that we never knew where he stood.
Also irritating is that while we have several hundred pages dedicated to whether a dress should or shouldn't show cleavage, the ultimate culmination of events since the Waste is lazily shrugged off. What is potentially the most interesting chapter of the entire book, where the battle at Cairhien is played out and Couladin defeated, amounts to:
"As they turned to face the swarm of enemies, he knew it was going to get rough...
...And then he woke up and all was well in the land."
Even the attempt at recounting the experiences through the characters was disappointing and half-assed, Rand's account consisting of "Well I was there, and then I wasn't, and then we won", and Mat's not much better: "Well I was there, and then he was there, and everyone was fighting, and I tried to scramble away, but then I killed him". It seems where actual planning and thoughtful writing are required, Jordan's a frugal bastard.
If he can come up with a way to use the One Power or Tel'aran'rhiod unnecessarily to further the plot however, he's all over that ****. These two aspects of the story seem like enormous crutches that Jordan is relying on to solve or create problems, and he's made the power of them both so unlimited that I no longer feel dread, concern, or suspense when a major problem presents itself. These are both easy and abused solutions to the dilemmas our characters face, and I imagine that if I stopped to think about it (which I have deliberately not done), I would come up with a minimum of a dozen plot holes these two powers present.
Which leads us to the most offensive chapter of The Fires of Heaven yet: The totally uncalled for romantic development between Rand and Aviendha. I have no objection to the match that was made, but the way it was written was just sloppy. The two characters argue for months, then out of the blue (through a suspiciously deus ex application of the One Power), they find themselves humping in a blizzard more or less by accident, as if the enormous derailment of character were somehow excused by the fact that it was a spontaneous result of a rescue attempt, after which Rand offers to marry her in a moment completely absent of emotion ("Whoops, sorry about that, looks like we have to get married now"). I just can't accept that he, thus far portrayed as a complete gentleman would piss on propriety, or that she, who lives and dies by the customs and honour of her people would betray an oath spoken to her near-sister. The entire chapter was an exercise in ridiculousness, and Jordan never should have dabbled any more in romance than he has in previous novels.
This book featured a notable absence of Perrin, which I'm fine with. Sorry Perrin. You're one less reluctant hero to have agonizing again and again over your destiny. Suck it up and accept it and I'll forgive you.
All in all, The Fires of Heaven was comparatively a massive disappointment that has dispelled the illusion that Jordan knew exactly where his plot was going and how to get there from the first. It's a book that could've been hundreds of pages shorter, with massive potential for greater developments than it ever made, and I wholly understand why the series lost so many readers at this point. For the first time, I'm beginning to doubt whether all my questions do have answers (Among HUNDREDS of others: Who did Moiraine think she would marry? How did she know of Asmodean? What did she see in Tear's red doorframe? How was she able to manipulate Rand by submitting to him? GUESS WE'LL NEVER ****ING KNOW), and that doubt more than anything else is what is crippling my patience and interest in the series.
I think I'll take a break before starting the next one, maybe finish the ****ing Shining or something.
Yeah... There is a massive slump around the middle of the series. Then, to be blunt, I think he realised he didn't have much time left and decided to wrap things up a bit :P It picks up speed again with 7 or 8, and personally I think it's worth powering though, even if just to see how the characters progress.
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Alright, I'm in the middle of reading I, Robot, and as cool as it is, I have one major gripe already.
Spoiler for Spoiler for I, Robot:
Alright, at the end of the episode with Cutie and the robot cult, the two main characters (who are ****ing SCIENTISTS!) are apparently satisfied that the robots will continue to run the power station since it's now part of their religion to run the power station without any deviance from procedure. The scientists do not know how this religion will evolve, or whether Cutie with have some revelation that may cause him to alter his behavior. Sure, his actions thus far are still within the acceptable parameters of the three rules of robotics, but they are ****ING SCIENTISTS!!!! You should require extensive tests and analyses before you come to any conclusions! But no! Apparently these sods are so in love with there own powers of deduction that they are supremely confident that everything will turn out peaches and cream. WTF?!?!?!?!
Well, they are experimental scientists... it's actually quite consistent with their behaviour in the rest of the short stories that they would make that assumption based on the observed data.
Paedantic Basterd
08-31-2012 09:22 PM
Yeah, I'll keep on it. Going to wait for Unknown Soldier to catch up though. ;)
The Batlord
09-01-2012 08:33 AM
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Originally Posted by MoonlitSunshine
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Well, they are experimental scientists... it's actually quite consistent with their behaviour in the rest of the short stories that they would make that assumption based on the observed data.
How is it consistent with the actions of a scientist to deduce something, assume it to be true, and then run off and leave everyone else to deal with the problem without even mentioning that there might be a problem? Just because Asimov is regarded as some nerd god, doesn't mean he can't write something dumb.
MoonlitSunshine
09-03-2012 11:50 AM
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Originally Posted by The Batlord
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How is it consistent with the actions of a scientist to deduce something, assume it to be true, and then run off and leave everyone else to deal with the problem without even mentioning that there might be a problem? Just because Asimov is regarded as some nerd god, doesn't mean he can't write something dumb.
The simple fact that it is written shows that it was reported - all of the stories are being told, which means that it was read from the report that they made afterwards, just dramatised in a sort of first person. As far why they didn't stick around to solve the problem, or justify it, it might not have been their job: there are many examples of people whose jobs are simply to innovate, to figure out how something might be done or why it would happen, without having to justify their deduction. Given that problem solving is already split up in that manner to a large extent these days, it's not impossible that such specialisation would continue into the future.
The Batlord
09-04-2012 09:53 AM
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Originally Posted by MoonlitSunshine
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The simple fact that it is written shows that it was reported - all of the stories are being told, which means that it was read from the report that they made afterwards, just dramatised in a sort of first person. As far why they didn't stick around to solve the problem, or justify it, it might not have been their job: there are many examples of people whose jobs are simply to innovate, to figure out how something might be done or why it would happen, without having to justify their deduction. Given that problem solving is already split up in that manner to a large extent these days, it's not impossible that such specialisation would continue into the future.
No, it was their job to fix the problem. The very next story has them talking explicitly about how it is their job to FIX problems with new robots, and if they fail even once, they will get fired.
I finished Mort on the bus this morning so I will start reading this tonight. It's been a very long time since I read this so I'm pretty excited.
MoonlitSunshine
09-04-2012 02:53 PM
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Originally Posted by The Batlord
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No, it was their job to fix the problem. The very next story has them talking explicitly about how it is their job to FIX problems with new robots, and if they fail even once, they will get fired.
*shrug* I think you're nitpicking a little bit, but I guess it's a matter of personal opinion. From my perspective, I understand entirely why he chose to write it the way he did, because he explains the cause of the odd behaviour and moves on, as does pretty much every single story in the book. The point of the short stories is not meant to be a thesis of justification by scientific method; that would get rather boring to read, given the amount of statistical analysis that would be involved in such a "proof". He is using each instance as a method of exploring the laws and how they interact with each other, not trying to prove exactly what outcome would occur in each situation...
At least, that's the way I see it. Science by storytelling is, in my book, allowed a bit of poetic license :P
I finished Mort on the bus this morning so I will start reading this tonight. It's been a very long time since I read this so I'm pretty excited.
I found I didn't enjoy the Colour of Magic/Light Fantastic Story as much as I did most of the others. While Rincewind grows into a fantastic character, I found him pretty intensely annoying in those two. I think part of it is that he's so busy introducing so many different aspects of the universe that some part of the character progression and insight which makes the other books so great gets lost in the process. That isn't to say that they aren't extremely important books in the series for exactly the same reason: the sheer amount of groundwork he lays in two books as opposed to the rest of the series is ridiculous... I just never enjoyed them as much as the others :P
Unknown Soldier
09-04-2012 03:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Pedestrian
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Yeah, I'll keep on it. Going to wait for Unknown Soldier to catch up though. ;)
Just finished Book 2 and diving straight into Book 3 tomorrow. Now I'm finally hooked!
swim
09-04-2012 10:51 PM
Unforgivable Blackness | The Rise and Fall of Jack Johnson
It's about the first black heavy weight boxer. It's more detail than you'd ever want to know and there's also a documentary by Ken Burns that contains a lot to most of the same info.
The Batlord
09-05-2012 09:34 AM
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Originally Posted by MoonlitSunshine
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*shrug* I think you're nitpicking a little bit, but I guess it's a matter of personal opinion. From my perspective, I understand entirely why he chose to write it the way he did, because he explains the cause of the odd behaviour and moves on, as does pretty much every single story in the book. The point of the short stories is not meant to be a thesis of justification by scientific method; that would get rather boring to read, given the amount of statistical analysis that would be involved in such a "proof". He is using each instance as a method of exploring the laws and how they interact with each other, not trying to prove exactly what outcome would occur in each situation...
At least, that's the way I see it. Science by storytelling is, in my book, allowed a bit of poetic license :P
Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed the story up until the end, and I've enjoyed Asimov before now as well, I just think that the ending was dumb. I get that it's basically a comment on religion, saying that it may be illogical, but it has it's uses, so **** it, but I can't get over how dumb the actual ending was.