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Trollheart 11-23-2020 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by adidasss (Post 2145612)
I gave it a 4.5/5 so up there with the other two.

Let's say, Rendezvous with Rama, Ubik, a bunch of Le Guin, Hyperion. Etc.

Hyperion such a fantastic novel. If you like Simmons I wonder if you've read his horror novel, Carrion Comfort? Well worth looking into. Chilling as all ****.

OccultHawk 11-23-2020 10:40 AM

Hyperion looks pretty duney

adidasss 11-23-2020 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Trollheart (Post 2145954)
Hyperion such a fantastic novel. If you like Simmons I wonder if you've read his horror novel, Carrion Comfort? Well worth looking into. Chilling as all ****.

Well, my memory is awful so I have no recollection of that one (although I do seem to have read it and rated it as 2/5). I've read Hyperion, which I really liked, Fall of Hyperion, which was a bit disappointing, then Ilium which I found so terrible and off-putting that I stopped looking into this guy altogether.

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 2145962)
Hyperion looks pretty duney

I think Hyperion borders on horror, but speaking of Dune, I am just now reading it for the first time and so far so great. Very cinematic, reads like a screenplay. I hear the guy goes on some weird homophobic tangent in a later novel but this one so far seems free of overt prejudice (apart from maybe an undercurrent of misogyny).

OccultHawk 11-23-2020 11:23 PM

Dune sucks

Lucem Ferre 11-24-2020 01:04 AM

Silence of the Lambs. I'm going through the Hannibal series now.

The Batlord 11-24-2020 08:23 AM

It ends dumb.

Trollheart 11-25-2020 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 2146156)
Dune sucks

:beer:
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Originally Posted by adidasss (Post 2146110)
Well, my memory is awful so I have no recollection of that one (although I do seem to have read it and rated it as 2/5). I've read Hyperion, which I really liked, Fall of Hyperion, which was a bit disappointing, then Ilium which I found so terrible and off-putting that I stopped looking into this guy altogether.

I think I read two, then stopped, no particular reason. But I think the first was so different that it was going to be hard to follow it up.
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I think Hyperion borders on horror, but speaking of Dune, I am just now reading it for the first time and so far so great. Very cinematic, reads like a screenplay. I hear the guy goes on some weird homophobic tangent in a later novel but this one so far seems free of overt prejudice (apart from maybe an undercurrent of misogyny).
I'd agree; the Shrike, after all, is straight out of HR Giger's worst nightmares.
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Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 2145962)
Hyperion looks pretty duney

Not in the least.
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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 2146296)
It ends dumb.

I see what you did there. ;)

The Batlord 11-25-2020 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Trollheart (Post 2146619)
I see what you did there. ;)

Then please tell me so I'll know too.

Marie Monday 11-30-2020 01:45 AM

Stevie Smith makes fun of him too. I'll see if I can find the poem

Edit: found it. One of her more snotty poems
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"Souvenir de Monsieur Poop"

I am the self-appointed guardian of English literature,
I believe tremendously in the significance of age;
I believe that a writer is wise at 50,
Ten years wiser at 60, at 70 a sage.
I believe that juniors are lively, to be enoucraged with
discretion and snubbed,
I believe also that they are bouncing, communistic, ill
mannered and, of course, young.
But I never define what I mean by youth
Because the word undefined is more useful for general
purposes of abuse.
I believe that literature is a school where only those who apply
themselves diligently to their tasks acquire merit.
And only they after the passage of a good many years (see
above).
But then I am an old fogey.
I always write more in sorrow than in anger.
I am, after all, devoted to Shakespeare, Milton,
And, coming to our own times,
Of course
Housman.
I have never been known to say a word against the
established classics,
I am in fact devoted to the established classics.
In the service of literature I believe absolutely in the principle
of division;
I divide into age groups and also into schools.
This is in keeping with my scholastic mind, and enables me to
trounce
Not only youth
(Which might be thought intellectually frivolous by pedants)
but also periodical tendencies,
To ventilate, in a word, my own political and moral
philosophy.
(When I say that I am an old fogey, I am, of course, joking.)
English Literature, as I see it, requirs to be defended
By a person of integrity and essential good humour
Against the forces of fanatacism, idiosyncrasy and anarchy.
I perfectly apprehend the perilous nature of my convictions
And I am prepared to go to the stake
For Shakespeare, Milton,
And, coming to our own times,
Of course
Housman.
I cannot say more than that, can I?
And I do not deem it advisable, in the interests of the editor
to whom I am spatially contracted,
To say less.

adidasss 11-30-2020 03:25 AM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 2147341)
A.E. Houseman

A Shropshire Lad and other collection poems

this is essential London sadboy poetry that I heard about because Ezra Pound has a poem where he makes fun of him called "Mr. Housman's message"

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He...embraced Benito Mussolini's fascism, and expressed support for Adolf Hitler. During World War II and the Holocaust in Italy, he made hundreds of paid radio broadcasts for the Italian government, including in German-occupied Italy, attacking the United States, Franklin D. Roosevelt and, above all, Jews, as a result of which he was arrested in 1945 by American forces in Italy on charges of treason. He spent months in a U.S. military camp in Pisa, including three weeks in an outdoor steel cage. Deemed unfit to stand trial, he was incarcerated in St. Elizabeths psychiatric hospital in Washington, D.C., for over 12 years.
Sounds like a lovely chap.


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