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Old 08-04-2020, 08:03 AM   #6961 (permalink)
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The Corrections is so good, I like to reread it around the holidays lol. If you haven't read Freedom it's also great - I've never been able to decide which one I like best.
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Old 08-04-2020, 08:17 AM   #6962 (permalink)
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Nice, I was wondering which Franzen novel I should pick up next. I love his writing style, it had me swinging from laughing to crying to cringing within the same page like I was having an episode.
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Old 08-04-2020, 08:38 AM   #6963 (permalink)
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Freedom is very much that plus a commentary on suburbia. And tbh Peggy > Denise
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Old 08-04-2020, 08:51 AM   #6964 (permalink)
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After rereading Harry Potter series I'm reading 1984.
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Old 08-04-2020, 10:56 AM   #6965 (permalink)
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Super intriguing so far and a lighter read than I expected with his down to earth writing style and self-critical analogies. Trying not to read things into it but it seems like he's exploring a lot of the same questions and inconsistencies that I got hung up on in the free will and consciousness discussions that I've had on here with batlord.

Some of the math explanations take a close reading or two for me, feels like I would absorb that information a lot better in a lecture setting with real time diagrams than reading it. Maybe not though, proofs were my least favourite part of my math schooling and it could just be that bias.

I probably should've done it the other way around but GEB's on my queue after Loop. What do you think about GEB so far?
It's kinda the second time I'm reading GEB.
I had finished about 80% three years ago but then I had a ****ty period in my life and didn't have the energy for demanding literature.
Reading it the second time I like it a bit less. The barrage of puns can get a bit groan inducing. I also struggle a bit more with the math and programming stuff. The last time my brain was still better with that from having studied mechanical engineering not long before.
But apart from that I still think that it's a fun and cool book and there's a lot of food for thought, although the basic thoughts are not new to me and are close to my own philosophy and way of thinking.
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Old 08-04-2020, 11:09 AM   #6966 (permalink)
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The barrage of puns can get a bit groan inducing.
Ja, it is a bit trollhearty but it only seems like a barrage when he's introducing a recurring pun in I Am a Strange Loop.
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Old 08-04-2020, 11:38 AM   #6967 (permalink)
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GEB was the first book I introduced to my then, girlfriend; now, wife -
as a kind of explanation of the way I think. I have all of his books and
used to read his monthly column for Scientific American pretty regularly.
They're now gathered in a book too. Also, his Fluid Concepts and Creative Analogies
was the very first book to be sold on Amazon some 25 years ago.

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Starting with ...Strange Loop is OK, because in some ways, it gives you a better
understanding of Gödel that may have been a difficult slog thru when reading about
his incompleteness theorem in the first part of GEB (if you had read that book first).
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Old 08-13-2020, 07:36 PM   #6968 (permalink)
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Good book. Easy to read and very informative.
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Where Do We Go From Here: Chaos or Community? by Martin Luther King, Jr.

The book that he was set to release when Hoover assassinated him, looks like we chose the former. It's got at least one mic drop per page.

Some faves quotes:
“When scientific power outruns moral power, we end up with guided missiles and misguided men.“

“The real cost lies ahead. The stiffening of white resistance is a recognition of that fact.“

“It is difficult to let others see the full psychological meaning of caste segregation. It is as though one, looking out from a dark cave in a side of an impending mountain, sees the world passing and speaks to it; speaks courteously and persuasively, showing them how these entombed souls are hindered in their natural movement, expression, and development; and how their loosening from prison would be a matter not simply of courtesy, sympathy, and help to them, but to all the world. One talks on evenly and logically in this way but notices that the passing throng does not even turn its head, or if it does, glances curiously and walks on. It gradually penetrates the minds of the prisoners that the people passing do not hear; that some thick sheet of invisible but horribly tangible plate glass is between them and the world.... Then the people within may become hysterical. They may scream and hurl themselves against the barriers, hardly realizing in their bewilderment that they are screaming in a vacuum unheard and that their antics may actually seem funny to the outside looking in. They may even, here and there, break through in blood and disfigurement, and find themselves faced by a horrified, implacable, and quite overwhelming mob of people frightened for their own existence.“ -[W.E.B. Du Bois quote]

“The movement is depicted as absorbed in controversy, confused in direction, venal towards its friends, and in such turmoil it has tragically lost its golden opportunity to attain change today.“

“We unconsciously patterned a crisis policy and program, and summoned support not for daily commitment but for explosive events alone.“

“To guarantee an income at the floor would simply perpetuate welfare standards and freeze into society poverty conditions.“
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Old 08-20-2020, 10:27 PM   #6970 (permalink)
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Let's Talk About Love: A Journey to the End of Taste by Carl Wilson

The best thing that I've read on music apart from Cage's writings. Breaks down what makes people love Celine Dion but also dives deep into regional, class, and social drivers of taste on both sides. The writer (approaching the subject as a Celine Dion despiser) comes to a lot of same conclusions about taste that many members here have reached (thinking Bat, OH, rostasi, Goof, Ant, and myself) and also makes fun of us for patting ourselves on the back about it. Insightful with a lot of informative passages and wry jokes, definitely worth your time if you like music enough to make an account here. This one has a reputation for a reason.

(it's not that Carl Wilson just fyi)
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