What's The Latest Film You Have Seen?

Chula Vista · 06-29-2018, 10:15 PM

The Deer Hunter.
Apocalypse Now.
The Boys in Company C.
Johnny Got His Gun.
Coming Home.
Black Hawk Down.
Platoon.
Grave of the Fireflies.
Paths of Glory.
Das Boot.
Casualties of War.
Friendly Fire.
Hamburger Hill.

Again, not cool to broad brush.

**Frownland** · 06-29-2018, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista

The Deer Hunter.
Apocalypse Now.
The Boys in Company C.
Johnny Got His Gun.
Coming Home.
Black Hawk Down.
Platoon.
Grave of the Fireflies.
Paths of Glory.
Das Boot.
Casualties of War.
Friendly Fire.
Hamburger Hill.

Again, not cool to broad brush.

It's not cool to strawman, either. Propaganda is not synonymous with bad art. ****, some of the best art is propaganda because it has ridiculous government funding behind it.

The Batlord · 06-29-2018, 10:21 PM

Holy ****, Blackhawk Down? Really? That's one of the worst. You might as well add We Were Soldiers to the list.

**Frownland** · 06-29-2018, 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

Holy ****, Blackhawk Down? Really? That's one of the worst. You might as well add We Were Soldiers to the list.

You just wish that you were as cool as Chula was when he watched it.

The Batlord · 06-29-2018, 10:33 PM

And don't most American war movies get backed by the Pentagon so the movie makers can get their expertise and equipment without having to actually buy their own military, of course so long as the military gets to have input on the script?

Chula Vista · 06-29-2018, 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

Holy ****, Blackhawk Down? Really? That's one of the worst. You might as well add We Were Soldiers to the list.

A document of one of the most disastrous US military operations in modern history where the US got their asses absolutely kicked and were made to look like inept fools the entire time? Ya, military propaganda for sure.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle...litary_fallout

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Originally Posted by Frownland

You just wish that you were as cool as Chula was when he watched it.

Don't resort to your old ways. I was getting use to the new and improved you.

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

And don't most American war movies get backed by the Pentagon so the movie makers can get their expertise and equipment without having to actually buy their own military, of course so long as the military gets to have input on the script?

If you think that any of the movies I listed were approved and financed by the US military you are hopeless. All of these movies demonized war and the military, and made joining and fighting in a war look like absolute hell. Not exactly a recruitment tool for our armed services.

Ever seen Coming Home or Friendly Fire? The pentagon was pissing hollow point bullets when those two got so many critical accolades.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friendly_Fire_(1979_film)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coming_Home_(1978_film)

**Frownland** · 06-29-2018, 11:01 PM

The ones that I've seen on the list demonize war by way of sympathizing the war criminals aka troops. Boom, propaganda. Pun intended.

The Batlord · 06-29-2018, 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista

A document of one of the most disastrous US military operations in modern history where the US got their asses absolutely kicked and were made to look like inept fools the entire time? Ya, military propaganda for sure.

And look at how ****ing badass our boys are while getting out of that nigger-infested hellhole! Don't **** with Oosa! Pew pew pew!!!

Up your critical thinking game, bro.

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If you think that any of the movies I listed were approved and financed by the US military you are hopeless. All of these movies demonized war and the military, and made joining and fighting in a war look like absolute hell. Not exactly a recruitment tool for our armed services.

Ever seen Coming Home or Friendly Fire? The pentagon was pissing hollow point bullets when those two got so many critical accolades.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friendly_Fire_(1979_film)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coming_Home_(1978_film)

That's how they get all that equipment. If you see a movie with a tank in it then it was probably given to the producers on condition that the military not be demonized. Black Hawk Down is a good example. Ewan McGregor's character was based on a soldier who was convicted of sexually assaulting his daughter and the military didn't like that so "SPC John Stebbins" (real guy) became "SPC John Grimes" (fake guy).

https://nypost.com/2001/12/18/war-fi...o-is-a-rapist/

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The Army pressured the filmmakers of “Black Hawk Down” to change the name of the war hero portrayed by Ewan McGregor – because the real-life soldier is serving a 30-year prison term for rape and child molestation, says the man who wrote the book that spawned the movie.

Chula Vista · 06-29-2018, 11:20 PM

Black Hawk Down made the US military (and government) look like ****. You still implying it had the Pentagon's backing? And funding? Simply because one soldier was a PR nightmare?

Way to lose sight of the big picture. Movie was extremely well made with lots of awesome special FX, but if at the end of it you felt compelled to join the army..... well, you were pretty damn ****ed up years before the movie came out.

That movie, along with the other's I listed, completely destroyed the John Wayne "America, Gung-Ho" cliche forever.

Wanna watch propaganda? Check out "The Green Berets". Don't be drinking any soda during it. You might hurt your nostrils.

The Batlord · 06-29-2018, 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista

Black Hawk Down made the US military (and government) look like ****. You still implying it had the Pentagon's backing? And funding? Simply because one soldier was a PR nightmare?

Way to lose sight of the big picture. Movie was extremely well made with lots of awesome special FX, but if at the end of it you felt compelled to join the army..... well, you were pretty damn ****ed up years before the movie came out.

That movie, along with the other's I listed, completely destroyed the John Wayne "America, Gung-Ho" cliche forever.

Wanna watch propaganda? Check out "The Green Berets". Don't be drinking any soda during it. You might hurt your nostrils.

Oh my bad you're totally right. There was no military involvement in Black Hawk Down.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/archi...=.4a82fd5982bc

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That version of events and the portrayal of what it was like to fight in the streets of Mogadishu were shaped by Army Rangers and Delta Force soldiers who survived the mission, and by the Department of Defense, which provided extensive support -- Black Hawk helicopters, equipment, trained pilots and Special Forces -- to the film.

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"We wanted to show what soldiers encounter in modern warfare, whether it's in Somalia or Afghanistan," says Kathleen Carham Ross of the Army's public affairs office in Los Angeles.

Bruckheimer told the DOD when he was making "Pearl Harbor," another controversial historical film, that he was planning to make "Black Hawk." Before lending support, the Pentagon requested its usual early script review.

"We care if the project is historical, if it's accurate in its depiction of the Army," Ross says. "Obviously there are some scripts that, just by looking at, we know we can't support, like ones where the Army is in the employ of the Devil."

But the Army was already very familiar with Bowden's book, which is often used as a Special Forces training text. Before filming began, the Army trained actors with the 75th Ranger Regiment at Fort Benning, Ga., and in a commando program with the 7th Special Forces at Fort Bragg, N.C. Some went through the 160th Special Operations Aviation Regiment helicopter training program at Fort Campbell, Ky.

Boot-camp training for actors in war films is now de rigueur, but "Black Hawk" technical adviser Harry Humphries, a veteran of Bruckheimer's movies, said the training actors went through at Fort Benning and Fort Bragg was the most extensive he's ever seen.

Getting those 65-foot-long Black Hawks, pilots to fly them and guards to protect them in Morocco was a special operation in itself. Arranging for the deployment of arms, equipment and actual U.S. troops to establish what would be, to outward appearance, a working U.S. military base in Morocco for 92 days of filming meant intense negotiations involving the State Department, the Pentagon and the Moroccan Foreign Ministry.

Two down-to-the-wire days before the crucial "insertion" scene was to be filmed, two C-5 transport planes landed near Rabat carrying eight choppers (four Black Hawks and four Little Birds), pilots from the 160th SOAR and more than 100 soldiers from Bravo Company of the 75th Ranger Regiment's 3rd Battalion -- the same company that had fought in Mogadishu.

The bill from the Pentagon: $2.2 million, a small bite of the film's total $90 million budget. The money the studio paid covered the use of the equipment, choppers, transportation, maintenance and repair, as well as the troops' lodging and meals. "They even paid their laundry costs," Ross says.

And the actual military operation made us look like idiots. The movie made us look like scrappy badasses.

06-29-2018, 10:15 PM	#21701 (permalink)
Chula Vista Toasted Poster Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: SoCal by way of Boston Posts: 11,332	The Deer Hunter. Apocalypse Now. The Boys in Company C. Johnny Got His Gun. Coming Home. Black Hawk Down. Platoon. Grave of the Fireflies. Paths of Glory. Das Boot. Casualties of War. Friendly Fire. Hamburger Hill. Again, not cool to broad brush. __________________ “The fact that we live at the bottom of a deep gravity well, on the surface of a gas covered planet going around a nuclear fireball 90 million miles away and think this to be normal is obviously some indication of how skewed our perspective tends to be.”

06-29-2018, 11:01 PM	#21707 (permalink)
Frownland SOPHIE FOREVER Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: East of the Southern North American West Posts: 35,541	The ones that I've seen on the list demonize war by way of sympathizing the war criminals aka troops. Boom, propaganda. Pun intended. __________________ Studies show that when a given norm is changed in the face of the unchanging, the remaining contradictions will parallel the truth. d e a f b o x

06-29-2018, 11:20 PM	#21709 (permalink)
Chula Vista Toasted Poster Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: SoCal by way of Boston Posts: 11,332	Black Hawk Down made the US military (and government) look like **. You still implying it had the Pentagon's backing? And funding? Simply because one soldier was a PR nightmare? Way to lose sight of the big picture. Movie was extremely well made with lots of awesome special FX, but if at the end of it you felt compelled to join the army..... well, you were pretty damn **ed up years before the movie came out. That movie, along with the other's I listed, completely destroyed the John Wayne "America, Gung-Ho" cliche forever. Wanna watch propaganda? Check out "The Green Berets". Don't be drinking any soda during it. You might hurt your nostrils. __________________ “The fact that we live at the bottom of a deep gravity well, on the surface of a gas covered planet going around a nuclear fireball 90 million miles away and think this to be normal is obviously some indication of how skewed our perspective tends to be.”

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