Agreed. Although Spielberg was re-telling history. Cameron was telling a Sci-Fi horror fairy-tale.

He also had Vin Diesel, who was considerably more believable than most of the cast from Aliens.

Citizen Kane.
Quite possibly the most overrated film I think I've ever seen. Bar a few creative camera shots, and some notably solid character writing, it was beyond average.

I definitely agree that it's overrated, but I still think it's a phenomenal film that gets at least 9/10 from me.

But who the **** cares what's actually happening to anybody in that movie?

That's because all film cliches we've used for the past half century were established by that film. It was groundbreaking for the day.

What exactly was so appealing about it for you?

I get that, but an analogy for that would be "just because someone was the first one to pick their nose, doesn't mean that first nose pick was beautiful, it's still just someone picking their nose"

The cinematography is outrageous throughout the whole movie and Kane is a fascinating character. It's not a plot driven film but that doesn't make it bad.

That's somewhat my issue with it; it just seemed to be well directed segment after well directed segment plodding along at an asinine pace. The characterization is great, and the build ups are well placed, but overall nothing really captured my attention.

I just remember being bored by the whole damn thing. Cinematography is cool and all, but appreciating a movie for its technical achievements is Chula-esque, and the acting in general was the same type of pre-70s stuff that turns me off to a depressingly large amount of old movies, so I really can't appreciate how fascinating a character Kane might be as the way he talks annoys me.

Cinematography is hardly even a "technical achievement" because it's right in front of your face. How the movie looks is hard to ignore.

Yeah, it's basically the prose of a movie, but I can read a book with relatively unimpressive prose but with a good story and a lot of heart, while I'd be bored stiff by a beautifully written book that had nothing much else going for it.

There's a place for both (CK has heart out the ass though).

I really didn't like Kane the first time I saw it about 10 years ago. I gave it another shot a year or two ago and it blew me away.

You definitely have to look past some of the more dated elements of it, but if you can the story of Kane is haunting and epic.

If it's a visually impressive movie, like Gravity, then cinematography is already going to be the star, but in a character-driven movie like Citizen Kane it takes the backseat for importance. And like I said, I kind of hate old school acting, so I doubt I'd appreciate the writing of Citizen Kane regardless, as I'd be too busy telling myself that the way they were talking was just the thing back then and I shouldn't hold it against the movie.

It is and can be both.

Why thank you.

There was movie making before Citizen Kane, and then there was movie making after Citizen Kane. That alone makes it epic. Wells was only 25 when he made it, had never directed anything prior, and had never worked in Hollywood. He went into it as a blank slate and pretty much made it up as he went along.

I'd say I'm gonna go back and watch Citizen Kane to see if it clicks with me this time, but we both know I'm not actually going to do that.

In hindsight it's pretty boring a lot of the time. Welles definitely focused on the technical stuff at the expense of the story.

I thought the story was pretty engaging.

And Rosebud is ****ing lame.

I last saw the movie SLEEPAWAY CAMP (1983) on VHS :)

I'm jealous, I wish I had that on VHS.

Also I finally got around to watching "Don't Breathe".

This isn't a spoiler but I was rooting for the guy who's house got broken into.

Fuck yeah! So, what did you think of it?

Aside from cheering for the blonde girl, same. Did you like the film?

Re-watched "I Saw the Devil". First time around I was so wrapped up in the shocking and gruesome aspects of the movie that I didn't realize how brilliant the cinematography is. As good as anything Scorcese, Paul Thomas Anderson, or The Coen's have done IMO.

Rewatched Interview with a Vampire last night.
Movie was a lot better than I remembered it being.

Yeah, I enjoyed it. The little twist near the end that's supposed to make us hate the vet, didn't really do it's job all that well. I was still sympathetic to his plight.

Great movie. Ann Rice was pissed that they cast Tom Cruise as Lestat, thinking that he couldn't pull it off.

Once she saw the movie she paid for a full page ad to apologize and praise Cruise's take on the character and how well he pulled it off.

Have you read the novel?

If yes, you have to read "The Tale of the Body Thief" - Probably the best of the sequels. Ridiculously great story.

The Tale of the Body Thief was alright, but had nothing on The Vampire Lestat, Queen of the Damned, or Memnoch the Devil. Of course I don't know if I'd want to go back and read those now, as Anne Rice's writing style is ridiculous and she only knows how to write characters who like Mozart.

I'm still having a hard time understanding Destroying Daisy. I don't no, I feel as though the baby mutilation genre has completely lost it's punch and is becoming as cliche as the found footage ghost movies. Getting so sick of the movie industry and it's lack of originality. Everything is either a comic book movie or a movie based on literature, nobody has original stories to tell. They see the success of one concept and that take that idea and run it into it's fiery piss stained grave to the point where we can't even appreciate the original movie that first toyed with said ruined concept. I'm sick of it, I'm so ****ing sick of it. The whole idea of baby mutilation was great until everybody jumped on the bandwagon and pushed it to it's limit completely destroying any love I had with the idea. So I feel really bad for SLC Punk 2, the real pioneers of baby mutilation movies who got completely ripped off by bull**** movies like Destroying Daisy and that corny ass Meet The Fockers franchise. **** you Ben Stellar you giant eared freak I'll rip your jaw open with owl eggs and watch you choke and die.

Agree on Rice's writing style. It's an acquired taste for sure. And all of that series was great. I just really dug the premise of Body Thief a lot.

I last watched "ONE MANS JUSTICE" (1995) on VHS :)

Solaris (1972)

The Usual Suspects

Such a great flick that I have to watch it over again every few years.

Did ya know that the dialogue during the police line-up scene was improvised?
Each actor was given free reign to say the line any way they wanted. The other actors laughing was genuine because they were hearing everyone's version for the first time.

Movie mistake: When they all fly to LA we see a shot of a plane coming towards you and then flying overhead, followed immediately of a shot of the plane flying away and getting ready to land. IN the first shot the plane has 4 engines. In the second it only has 2.

Watching Office Space again. Still good after seeing it so many times.

I miss Trollheart.

Thought the same thing when I read Ki's post. :tramp:

Nah, watch Green Wing instead.

I watched about an hour and a half of the extended version of The Twin Towers because my parents had it on. I can see why they cut a lot of these scenes.