Going to see it tomorrow with my friend and my brother.

How many comic books have you even read?

Very good movie.
I hope it passes up Titanic in Box Office.

Point taken, I'll shut up now.

Well if you have such a problem with a villain going to jail it clearly shows an ignorance of the comic books and Joker's personality. I'd also like to note Bruce Wayne didn't play up to being a stupid millionaire playboy in most of the comic series. I mean in some he acted kind of slow and he was typically superficial but he was still a successful businessman who had his own charity. So saying "Oh I read the comics and he was always shallow" is pretty ridiculous.

I guess... I think I'm just caught up in the HEATH hype since we never saw him actually die it sucks to know if the joker came back it wouldn't be played by Heath and if the Joker doesn't come back he was just caught and that's the end of him.

The point with the ending was that batman needed the joker and vice versa. the line was

'this is what happens when an unmovable object hits and unstoppable force' or something

I'm sure the script had it planned so that the joker could always be around if they chose to do a sequel, but then heath died.

They have such a big catalogue of villians they could use im sure they aren't even planning on using the joker in the next 2 sequels.

I think it's been said before, but as much as i liked The Joker i couldn't help but think of this guy...

http://www.blogdecine.com/images/2007/12/20060818zk.jpg

..whose that guy?

John Doe from Seven. Exercises the same sort of idea that someone should be punished in order for others to be saved.

oooh **** yeah I've seen that film.




Anyway, the burning issue here... does anybody else agree that Heath should get an Oscar for his performance? Or at least a nomination?

Not that i know much about Oscars and what not but it was a damn good performance. I wouldn't be opposed.

I think his performance was worthy of the nomination... I just hope they don't hand it over out of sympathy.

I'D have to agree. His performance was amazing. He made the joker more charming than ever before.

Unfortunetly we are now gonna see every little scene girl wearing a picture of his face on the back of a hoodie or some **** now.

Joker wristbands and patches and shit

damn thanks for reminding me...

Too late Joker @ Hot Topic

Thought this was okay, Ledger's performance was laudable though.

okay? ****ing brilliant if you ask me...what didnt you like about it?

The film is far from "fucking brilliant", it's actually pretty ridiculous at places. Harvey Dent's character arch is so rushed that it's not believable. The characters monologue to explain the story to you because Nolan is not a competent enough director to get points across visually. The film again utilizes Nolan's nothing but boring camera work, many of the extras are just laughably bad and the dialogue is cringeworthy at points. It is also incredibly elementary in its attempts to tackle such themes as post-9/11 society and the moral conundrum Batman finds himself in at the end. It wants the points for exploring these themes, but it addresses them in such a juvenile way that it essentially cheapens them. If this is your idea of "fucking brilliance" then you need to see more films.

im going to answer your post peice-by-piece

i'll give you that one

im guessing your reffering to the scenes with the ships...if so i would like some further elaboration

i disagree...in my opinion ifsomeone finds the movie refrencing a post-9/11 society they're trying to hard to find a message in the film

criticizing my film knowledge again eh? btw hve you even posted anything in the music sections? understand this is music banter not movie banter

Oh boy.


Gee thanks.

I'm reffering to multiple scenes. The townhall meeting, where the extras chant "NO MORE DEAD COPS!", the ship scene where the biggest, meanest looking black convict gets up and tosses out the detonator saying "Ima do what you shoulda done 10 minutes ago", Rachels final scenes. The ridiculously charicatured black gangsters at the beginning of the film. Hardly 10 minutes could pass without some cheesy dialogue sneaking into the film.

I disagree, if you don't see a blatant and clear comment on post-9/11 society you're either an idiot or willingly closing your eyes to the blunt message Nolan is trying to beat you over the head with. "Bat sonar" clearly parallels the ever increasing invasions of privacy by government institutions in the name of keeping us safe from terrorists (like The Joker), the film even calls the Joker a terrorist. The Joker embodies everything we don't understand about Middle Eastern terrorists. We're told that they commit heinous acts because they hate our freedom, the Joker causes chaos because it's part of his world philosophy, and equally incomprehensible. There are a thousand more parallels and they're equally intentional. Saying that someone is "looking to hard for a message in a film" is a cop out and a lame justification for your shallow and superficial understanding of cinema.


What film knowledge?

I also liked how you completely ignored my criticisms of Nolan's camerawork and use of monologue to explain character intentions.

and i like how you ignored my criticism of your use of this forum

And with that you ignored every single retort I offered to your rebuttals. Great technique, it saves you from actually having to think or formulate your own opinion.

maybe you dont remember the first thing i said to you...i'll post it:

Yes. See, I have an opinion and you have an opinon. I posted my opinion first, you then quoted me and made clear that my opinion and your opinion were in conflict and asked me to clarify my position. I clarified my position, at which point you again made clear that our opinions were in conflict and offered direct criticisms of my criticisms of the film. I replied by defending my opinions and all the while offering a direct and pointed attack on your opinions. You then took the easy way out by totally ignoring what I've said.

As far as I can tell the ball is in your court pal.

I liked christian bale's performance better in batman begins. This time he was much more one dimensional. Not to say that Dark Night wasn't awesome - it was a just a very different kind of movie. Batman begins was inspiring, moving and involving. Dark Night was fr**kin rockin, scarey, cool and creepy all at once. Both among my favorite movies.

What's with Batman's Voice?

Good thing CNN's on it.

Yeah...Batman sounds like he's been smoking 5 packs a day...

I feel like the only person who didn't find his voice a big deal at all.

I thought it was pretty logical for him to change his voice.

hahahahahaha, Philip Seymour Hoffman playing the Penguin fits better. I think Depp will be an excellent Riddler.

On the downside, halloween is going to be crap this year.

I know everyone will be going as the hulk, damn.

After the Slipknot mask thread I've decided to go as MF Doom. Thankyou and goodday!

what is it that you do like?

I did like the movie, I'm just pointing out flaws.

at first i just laughed about it, but as the movie continued i just quit caring...wasn't a big deal to me

Hahaha.