I dunno, I think she stated that she started having these memories when she was already checked into the psych ward but I could be wrong.

As for Eloise, it's likely that she was the first person to figure out that the nuclear explosion sucessully created an alternate timeline.

Also, Jack gave her Daniel's journal back in the 70s which probably explains how she knows so much about future events such as Desmond's fate on the island, though it doesnt explain how she knew about the significance of Desmond not buying the wedding ring and various little random events, so I dunno, maybe she's just a super psychic or something.

Maybe. But I thought she said something like "And then when I got here, this place was really familiar and it felt like you'd been here too" or something.

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Ah that's right, I forgot about her getting the journal. I dunno, I feel like that's definitely part of it, but yeah--I'm not sure it's the whole story there.

And while we're on "What's the deal with..." mode, I'm still waiting for some explanation about what Walt has to do with any of this nonsense--cos clearly it's something. He keeps being casually mentioned/referenced, but hasn't really done anything in 4 seasons...

Yeah, what the explosion did apparrently was prevent all the events that took place that lead to the plane crash, because of that, that also undid the events of them traveling back in time which meant the explosion never happened, thus the Dharma people survived.

If that isn't confusing enough, it's made more so by Miles' contradicting theory that Jack inadvertently created the incident that started everything in the first place. Though that's really theoretically impossible, how could the plane crash on the island if it only crashed because of something the survivors did on the island which is something they only could have done if they had crashed on the island, which was caused by them after crashing on the island.

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Wow, what a paradox. So that theory is out.

So if they didn't cause the incident what did?

The greatest question though is, if Jack and company successfully prevented everything from taking place, which appears to be the case because of the sideways timeline, then why are they still on the island with everything as it was? Shouldn't all that be erased from existance?

Most likely it has to do with alternate timelines, and the idea that a new future can be created, but a predeterimed one can't be erased.

But f*ck if I know, that's all I got for now.

I have a theory that the "alternate time line" is nothing more then a deviation. In other words, in the "flash sideways" we're seeing how the universe changed directly after the bomb exploded. The survivors will find a way to undo that, thus restoring the "original timeline" when they all woke up in the jungle at the start of the season.

so yeah. the latest episode...

to me, if feels like the people behind the scenes are starting to force answers. the well, the wheel, the light under the island... it sort of explains things, but not so much.

so we know that Jacob and MIB are bros. that MIB is in fact dead. but who is there mum? where did she get her special powers? where did she come from?

two episodes to go, and there is a lot left to explain. i really hope i'm not disappointed in the end...

MIB isn't dead. His being simply left his body and he became the black smoke, who is capable of looking like anyone so naturally he choose to look like himself most of the time when he was in human form.

the black smoke can only take the form of dead people. if he chooses to look like Jacob's nameless brother, it's because Jacob's brother is dead.

so he went through all the trouble of finding a "loophole" to kill Jacob, references their mother and their past, and desperately wants to leave the island because he's... not jacob's brother?

i'm not suggesting MIB/Smokey is not Jacob's brother. only that Jacob's brother, the human being, is in fact dead, and now exists only as the smoke monster. this is new information.

one more to go, sunday night!
2.5 hour season series finale. should be good.
fortunately monday is a holiday here so i can get up and watch it first thing in the morning :)

:(

I am starting to fear the worst for the end of this show. With the intensely convoluted plotline and crazy buildup the answers to all this crap should be EPIC. So far we got light in the middle of the island. Big ****ing deal.

I've pretty much stopped caring about anything in the series. lost pales in comparison to breaking bad.

Oh man, Breaking Bad is so damn good. I was happy for the main actor, too...I was sure he would be out of the game after Malcolm In the Middle.

that made me cringe a little.



to me this is beyond being discontent or satisfied. this is about the show moving into it's grand sweeping finale, and about looking back on the series as a whole and saying.. "man, that was damn good television". I felt like I was a part of something with this show, a great cultural gem that I'll be able to talk about with people of my generation as I grow older. I don't expect the "grand revelation" to be anything other then what it looks like it'll be - but if it's something EPIC than that'll make the series that much better. if it's not, i'm not just gonna disregard the past 6 years of a quality television classic.

The last episode is being simulcast in the UK

At 5am :laughing:

I won't be watching it just yet. I've been saving watching the last 5 episodes and I'm just going to watch it in one big blow out.

Haha. Nice.

by the way, I know I left a little while ago but as I have no discussive output for this show I shall be returning to chat with you guys about it.

2 days away.... i'm so melancholic about it.

Although I've only seen a couple episodes of Lost and didn't get into it, The moment I watched Breaking Bad's debut episode I was hooked. Although things seemed to have slowed down a lot this season.... Except the episode where the brothers came after Hank. That rocked.
At first I was happy about them going after hank... But afterward I felt sorry for him, so I dug the outcome.

Oh, and Jesse's script on the episode when he was in the hospital after Hank beat the ever living dog balls out of him... That speech was EPIC.

Same. I just caught up on all the episodes I missed and I having difficulty seeing how they are going to wrap this up in 2.5 hours! I still don't understand the concept of the light in the middle of the island and what turning that wheel does. Why when they went down into that Orchid place and turned the wheel did they end up in the middle of the desert?

And what the hell is with the whole alternate timeline thing? (The timeline where they are all off the Island). I am totally confused with that. Does anyone know or have any theories? How are they going to tie it up/ meet it with the Island timeline?

Anyway the final double episode is being aired here on Wednesday so I guess I better steer clear of this thread until I've watched it!

Oh, and as for the debate about the girls, Claire is by far the cutest. Reow.

I'm only up to 6x14 so I've a bit of catching up to do as well... I think I'll end up going to my mate's place on Monday and watching them all at once. I've heard that the last couple of eps have been revealing answers in a more direct than usual manner. I'll soon find out anyway.

Oh I have another question if anyone can answer it. How come Alex Rousseau isn't Ben's daughter in this crazy alternate timeline thing? And how come Jack suddenly has a son?! I am so confused.

She's not his real daughter anyway. He took her from Rousseau (her real mother) on the island because Rousseau was insane.

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh right. I totally forgot about that detail.

Alex wasn't Ben's daughter in the original timeline either, her father was Rousseau's husband who was killed years ago. Ben had just stolen her as a baby and raised her.

Jack's son I'm not sure about, but I'm guessing the mystery of who the mother is will be answered in the final episode.

Edit: Whoops, Rickenbacker beat me to it.

D-Day.

Anyone else kind of depressed thinking about TV post-Lost? It won't be the same. :(

5 In the ****ing morning?? You kidding me???

2 hour recap
2.5 hour series finale
1 hour wrap up with the creators

good thing i don't have to go to work tomorrow :D

What channel is the 1 hour wrap up on? I didn't see it on the TV guide.

dunno, that's just what i read online.
i'm in europe so i'll be downloading the lot in the morning ;)

It's Jimmy Kimmel Live, on right after local news which is right after the show.

I think there might be some kind of one hour recap before the actual episode starts.

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Nice. I really dug that ending.

beautiful.

That was really wonderful.

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before anyone brings this up:



No, they were not dead the whole time. They died individually, one by one, and then went to that place where they all knew they'd meet each other. The island was very much real and Jacob indeed recruited them there to do his bidding. They were all pons really, in Jacob and the Man in Black's struggle. A struggle I'm sure of which was exaggerated by both of them. If the Man in Black had indeed left the island, sure he was a very bad person, but I doubt it'd mean the destruction of the world. More than likely Jacob was misled, a long with an entire generation of peoples and civilizations, into believing the light was something mystical. In reality, it was a pocket of electromagnetic energy that connecting to other pockets and soft spots all over the world. Destroying the island would likely have devastating consequences, so Jack didn't die protecting it in vein. In fact, it needed to be protected. The problem was the Man in Black and Jacob were selfish. Jacob (or his "mother") made it to where MIB could never leave, so long as the island was around. That lead to his quest to destroy it.

Of course there are a lot of mysteries that will never be closed. But in a way, I prefer that. Taking the mysterious elements out of this show would be like midi-clorians to me. I hated those midi-clorians.

The real story of this show, and hence the ending, was about how these people came together - and though they didn't know it, accomplished something great.

Yeah. That was a great series.

I agree and I'm already amazed by reading stuff online by people who didn't get it. Christian explained it pretty explicitly, it's really strange that there are that many people out there who didn't understand.

Wonderful ending. I love Jack Shephard. What a great character.