Britney Spears

[Janszoon]

Originally Posted by Goblin Tears

fad relating to pop music, obviously. Fad, not genre. And late to the party? Does that imply that anyone who plays rock music is late to the party because Led Zepellin got to it before them? This style of thinking makes no sense.

Er... I think you're really misunderstanding me and your Led Zeppelin example actually makes very little sense in the context of what I'm saying. What I'm talking about is a pretty specific style of electropop which was a bit of a fad in the very late 90s and early 00s. Shortly thereafter, Britney Spears apparently adopted a similar style in some of her songs. Looking at the timing, she's clearly not the one who started the fad.

Originally Posted by Goblin Tears

Umm, Gimme More, Break The Ice, Freak Show, Ooh Ooh Baby...sound like anything Ladytron have ever done? Umm, no. I own all of Britney albums and I'm a ladytron fan too...Ladytron are quieter, more sinister, less reliant on pop hooks. Listen to Light and Magic and Blackout side by side, they sound nothing alike.

"Gimme More" was actually one of the songs that I listened to that made me think of Ladytron. Listen to the keyboard and the beat, I hear quite a bit of similarity in style there.

Originally Posted by Goblin Tears

Wanna see a pop artist imitate Ladytron? Sounds more like this:

Yep, that's another good example of what I was talking about when I said, "I don't tend to listen to her or people who are similar to her since the whole style of the song is very much aping something that has already come, grown old and departed among less well-known acts. I guess I feel like people like her are always very late to the party."

[djchameleon]

Originally Posted by Janszoon

Er... I think you're really misunderstanding me and your Led Zeppelin example actually makes very little sense in the context of what I'm saying. What I'm talking about is a pretty specific style of electropop which was a bit of a fad in the very late 90s and early 00s. Shortly thereafter, Britney Spears apparently adopted a similar style in some of her songs. Looking at the timing, she's clearly not the one who started the fad.

I think all Goblin was trying to say was that she re-introduced electro pop to the mainstream not that she started it or w/e

[Goblin Tears]

Originally Posted by Janszoon

Er... I think you're really misunderstanding me and your Led Zeppelin example actually makes very little sense in the context of what I'm saying. What I'm talking about is a pretty specific style of electropop which was a bit of a fad in the very late 90s and early 00s. Shortly thereafter, Britney Spears apparently adopted a similar style in some of her songs. Looking at the timing, she's clearly not the one who started the fad.

How is my Led Zeppellin example any different from your ridiculous assertion? You basically imply that the whole genre of electropop is redundant, and anyone who employs it is ''late to the party'' Electropop actually started out in the eighties evolving from synthpop, it has found success in various means throughout each decade. Does Ladytron writing electropop songs in the noughties make them late to the party? It has never really left...however, Britney Spears was the first to combine electropop with dubstep and other influences and churn it out as a club album and market it as mainstream pop in the noughties. No other artist had done this before, and everyone in that market emulated her quickly afterwards.

"Gimme More" was actually one of the songs that I listened to that made me think of Ladytron. Listen to the keyboard and the beat, I hear quite a bit of similarity in style there.

Do you honestly think that Gimme More sounds like any song of Ladytron's? I can't even. They are stylistically polar opposites from one another. Gimme More is club friendly, derranged, fractured vocals, dance oriented...Ladytron is forboding, much more minimal, almost nothing in common. You are really stretching things.

Yep, that's another good example of what I was talking about when I said, "I don't tend to listen to her or people who are similar to her since the whole style of the song is very much aping something that has already come, grown old and departed among less well-known acts. I guess I feel like people like her are always very late to the party."

Actually, this song was produced by Ladytron at the request of Aguilera. That's why it sounds so much like them...and it's nothing to do with it being electropop, either. It's simply Ladytrons stylistic tendencies.

[Janszoon]

Originally Posted by Goblin Tears

How is my Led Zeppellin example any different from your ridiculous assertion?

Because rock music is a huge and much more diverse genre than the very specific electropop sub-genre that I'm talking about.

Originally Posted by Goblin Tears

You basically imply that the whole genre of electropop is redundant, and anyone who employs it is ''late to the party'' Electropop actually started out in the eighties evolving from synthpop, it has found success in various means throughout each decade. Does Ladytron writing electropop songs in the noughties make them late to the party? It has never really left...however, Britney Spears was the first to combine electropop with dubstep and other influences and churn it out as a club album and market it as mainstream pop in the noughties. No other artist had done this before, and everyone in that market emulated her quickly afterwards.

No offense, but have you actually been reading what I've been posting? This particular type of electropop, like I said earlier, has it's roots in the 80s. For almost the entire decade of the 90s, though, it basically vanished, a fact which I'm beginning to think you might not be aware of. Was there pop music in the 90s that was electronic in nature? Yes, but this particular new wave/synthpop-ish 80s type of sound was totally uncool and basically dead. Starting the very late 90s/early 00s the style was revived and, as I said before, became a bit of a trend. A couple years later Britney Spears adopted the style. Because of the timing, clearly, it was not a case of her creating the trend but rather adopting a trend which was in the process of fading out again.

Originally Posted by Goblin Tears

Do you honestly think that Gimme More sounds like any song of Ladytron's? I can't even. They are stylistically polar opposites from one another. Gimme More is club friendly, derranged, fractured vocals, dance oriented...Ladytron is forboding, much more minimal, almost nothing in common. You are really stretching things.

Polar opposites? Really? They're both danceable, clubby-sounding pop, featuring vintage-sounding synths and similar types of beats done in a very 80s influenced style. I'd say they're quite comparable, though I do feel that the Britney version is more watered down sounding.

[Goblin Tears]

Originally Posted by Janszoon

Because rock music is a huge and much more diverse genre than the very specific electropop sub-genre that I'm talking about.

Electropop is still a huge genre, especially in 80s/00s. Why do you see this genre as nothing more than a trend. It's a genre!

No offense, but have you actually been reading what I've been posting? This particular type of electropop, like I said earlier, has it's roots in the 80s. For almost the entire decade of the 90s, though, it basically vanished, a fact which I'm beginning to think you might not be aware of. Was there pop music in the 90s that was electronic in nature? Yes, but this particular new wave/synthpop-ish 80s type of sound was totally uncool and basically dead. Starting the very late 90s/early 00s the style was revived and, as I said before, became a bit of a trend. A couple years later Britney Spears adopted the style. Because of the timing, clearly, it was not a case of her creating the trend but rather adopting a trend which was in the process of fading out again.

You're just repeating things I've already said/know. Yes, teen pop and grunge ruled that decade, but electropop/synthpop still had some mainstream success. Ever hear of Shakespear's Sister? It was by no means a dominating force, but it was genre that always existed. Britney herself didn't venture into electropop until her fifth album, by which time she had alread paved the way for a huge market of teen bubblegum pop, and even came out with pop songs as original sounding as Toxic, a sound that was so overwhelming that her competitiors didnt even bother trying to replicate it. Using electropop for Blackout was a HUGE risk in the pop market at that time, but she pulled it off. The Times named it as the fourth best pop album of the decade for a reason, it was highly influential and it made some pretty neat innovations to the electropop genre, which you seem to be in denial about. You havent even listened to the full album, so why are you arguing anyway? Do you hate Britney that much?

Polar opposites? Really? They're both danceable, clubby-sounding pop, featuring vintage-sounding synths and similar types of beats done in a very 80s influenced style. I'd say they're quite comparable, though I do feel that the Britney version is more watered down sounding.

Ok, you're obviously just a Britney hater with a chip on the shoulder. Either that, or you have a weak ear.

[Janszoon]

Originally Posted by Goblin Tears

Electropop is still a huge genre, especially in 80s/00s. Why do you see this genre as nothing more than a trend. It's a genre!

I'm not talking about everything on earth that could possibly be described as electropop. Once again: I am talking about a very specific type of electropop. And, yes, that particular type of electropop was a trend during a particular time. It doesn't make it a bad thing—in fact I love all three of the bands I posted in this thread—it just is what it is.

Originally Posted by Goblin Tears

You're just repeating things I've already said/know. Yes, teen pop and grunge ruled that decade, but electropop/synthpop still had some mainstream success. Ever hear of Shakespear's Sister? It was by no means a dominating force, but it was genre that always existed.

Yes I'm familiar with Shakespeare's Sister. They are not the type of electropop I'm talking about.

Originally Posted by Goblin Tears

Britney herself didn't venture into electropop until her fifth album, by which time she had alread paved the way for a huge market of teen bubblegum pop, and even came out with pop songs as original sounding as Toxic, a sound that was so overwhelming that her competitiors didnt even bother trying to replicate it. Using electropop for Blackout was a HUGE risk in the pop market at that time, but she pulled it off. The Times named it as the fourth best pop album of the decade for a reason, it was highly influential and it made some pretty neat innovations to the electropop genre, which you seem to be in denial about. You havent even listened to the full album, so why are you arguing anyway? Do you hate Britney that much?

Um... it takes two to argue my friend. I made a comment and you responded to it, that's how the conversation began if you recall.

Originally Posted by Goblin Tears

Ok, you're obviously just a Britney hater with a chip on the shoulder. Either that, or you have a weak ear.

This seems an odd comment to make considering that my original post was saying that I liked the song. I may have to make this my sig though, since it's so funny sounding.

[Scissorman]

Originally Posted by Goblin Tears

nothing alike.

Wanna see a pop artist imitate Ladytron? Sounds more like this:

Members of Ladytron actually wrote this song for Christina

[Goblin Tears]

Originally Posted by Janszoon

I'm not talking about everything on earth that could possibly be described as electropop. Once again: I am talking about a very specific type of electropop. And, yes, that particular type of electropop was a trend during a particular time. It doesn't make it a bad thing—in fact I love all three of the bands I posted in this thread—it just is what it is.

You're contradicting yourself....you imply that this subgenre electropop trend IS a bad thing, so much that when you see Britney doing it, you don't want to listen to her.

Anyway, Ladytron and Britney Spears are both electropop (actually Britney only has 2 electopop albums to date), but they are definitely different types...it's safe to say Britney was NOT inspired by Ladytron or those bands you posted, because none of their techniques or styles make it in to any of her albums...in fact, the underground London dubstep was much more influential for Blackout. Just because someone uses synths, doesnt mean they're inspired by other synth users. But again, you havent listened to Blackout...so how the hell do you know what type of electropo it is?

Yes I'm familiar with Shakespeare's Sister. They are not the type of electropop I'm talking about.

I don't think even you know what kind of electropop you're referring to, but I wasn't comparing SS to those bands you posted.

This seems an odd comment to make considering that my original post was saying that I liked the song. I may have to make this my sig though, since it's so funny sounding.

Originally Posted by Scissorman

Members of Ladytron actually wrote this song for Christina

I know...I already said that.

[ken138888]

she is getting a little bit fat

[marina monteiro]

Originally Posted by ken138888

she is getting a little bit fat

yeah mm she gave birth to 2 kids - for me she looks in great shape for a women of her age - anyways concentrating on song si love her new one - 'hold it agaisnt me' bad attempt at dubstep - but still quite catchy