Kanye West : My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy

[Antonio]

Originally Posted by matious

so he doesn't say to much in this, but its good bravado and sounds right when you hear it. Maybe it comes down to whether or not you like kanye's delivery, which i do a lot.

yeah, it's definitely this for me too. I don't know what it is about the delivery, but it just works, heh.

[Hitting_Singularity]

hmm, this is an interesting argument.. I have always thought Kanye should stick to producing and not rapping his own records, that is the main reason I stayed away from him until this album (and Stronger)

I never enjoyed his voice very much (along with Jay-z, lil Wayne, 50 cent and a few others) but I didn't seem to mind his rhymes so much on this album. I love this album for the producing and because it is one of the most creative and progressive album ever so far. I really think it will encourage more mainstream hip-hop artists to become more alternative which I seriously cannot wait until the game looks like that.

As for the lyrics, I will have to pay attention to them more on the next listen. Lyrics are always second to me behind the actual instruments and tune(singing and rhythm in rap count) so even if some of his rhymes are childish, it wouldn't ruin the album for me.

edit: creative flow is one of the things I look for most in rappers

[Rainard Jalen]

I still haven't voted on the record. I think ultimately it's a hard call to make.

[CapuletNJ]

illuminati puppets make good albums

[clutnuckle]

Worst verse of the entire album goes to Jay-Z:

How should I begin this?
I'm just so offended
How am I even mentioned by all these ****in' beginners?
I'm so appalled
I might buy the mall
Just to show niggas how much more I have in store
I'm fresher than you all, so I don't have to pause
All of y'all can suck my balls through my draws
Dark Knight feeling, die you be a hero
Or live long enough to see yourself become a villain
I went from the favorite to the most-hated
But would you rather be underpaid or overrated?
Moral victories is for Minor League coaches
And 'Ye already told you We Major you ****roaches!
Show me where the boats is
Ferrari tester roasters
And Hammer went broke so you know I'm more focused
I lost thirty mil, so I spent another thirty
'Cause unlike Hammer, thirty million can't hurt me
****in' insane, what the **** am I sayin'?
Not only am I fly, I'm ****in' not playin'
All these little bitches, too big for their britches
Burning their bridges, ****in' ridiculous

This has done nothing but perpetuate the horrible interpretation I have of him already.

In general, while good on a musical level, this album says nothing that hasn't been said before. The music is actually stunning at points, I will give you that, and some couplets really hit home, but justifying it on a lyrical level is really not that easy. While it occasionally flourishes, much of its hype and love has to come from the music, and the delivery of the lyrics rather than what they're actually saying. That whole part of it can be great at times (title track, "Gorgeous", "Runaway"), and at other times I wanted to skip ahead ("Blame Game", "Hell of a Life").

Overall, it's good, but in terms of lyrical and emotional innovation it really does not budge. The music is actually quite expansive at times, though.

[djchameleon]

I'm not sure what's with all this discussion over his lyrics. He has always been weak in that area.

Originally Posted by Hitting_Singularity

As for the lyrics, I will have to pay attention to them more on the next listen. Lyrics are always second to me behind the actual instruments and tune(singing and rhythm in rap count) so even if some of his rhymes are childish, it wouldn't ruin the album for me.

edit: creative flow is one of the things I look for most in rappers

I agree with you on that part. I'm the same way, I'm more into the production and the arrangements then comes lyrics but I don't let the lyrics ruin what I'm hearing going on in the background. This goes for any music I listen to.

[clutnuckle]

Lyrics are a big part of the genre; if he continues to be mediocre in that field it's not as though it's not worth mentioning.

[Alfred]

What do you guys think about POWER's lyrics? The lyrics are the main reason why I love that song, even if it's entirely self-promotional. They're just so damn amusing.

[someonecompletelyrandom]

I love everything about POWER. Lyrics included.

I think the lines

At the end of day, goddammit, I’m killin’ this sh-t
I know damn well y’all feelin’ this sh-t
I don’t need yo’ p-ssy, bitch, I’m on my own d-ck
I ain’t gotta power trip, who you goin’ home with?

sum up Kayne exactly. Sure he's an egomaniac but it's impossible to ignore he's good.

[Alfred]

yeah, the song in general pretty much defines badass