Originally Posted by ProggyMan

I'm not tripping over my own feet at all, I think Pet Sounds is highly influential and important, but I just don't think it's very good. Hence it's great but I think it's bad. Hey, most production sounds dated from that period, it's certainly not the biggest fault with the album. And by sounds the same with repeated listens, I mean if I listen to it a few times in a row all the songs melodies sound the same. The vocals aren't technically amazing, and I find the falsetto harmonies annoying.

Originally Posted by METALLICA89

Ive seen you on muiltipul forums saying Metallica and slayer are the worst **** you kid go suck your **** while you listen to your ****ing emo **** I bet you do listen to emo music

Originally Posted by ProggyMan

I never, never siad the production was terrible. You're just putting words into my mouth now. I don't like the Beach Boys and I tihnk they're not very good.
Basically your arguement is: OMGZ the Beach Boys have beautiful melodies that all sound the same!!!

Originally Posted by Crowquill

What are you talking about? Lets first get onto the subject of who were talking about, Nirvana. The bands who influence rock music could've done without, we have them to partly thank for all the Nickelbacks and post-grunge crap of the world. Nirvana weren't even the first grunge band, they weren't even the first to do it well. Their was nothing special about their sound. They were all average musicians and Kurt Cobain was not a good lyricist or singer. People can fool themselves into thinking he was some genius but he really wasn't. They can fool themselves into thinking Nevermind was the greatest album of the 90s but it wasn't. In the words of Wayne Coyne "If you think you're going to hear an utterly original, powerful and freaky record when you put on Nevermind, as a young kid might, Christ you're going to be disappointed. You're going to think, "Who is this band that sounds just like Nickelback? What are these drug addicts going on about?""

Saying its better than the Beach Boys? Who are widely considered one of the most influential pop bands ever? Who's influence stretches from Panda Bear to Kevin Barnes to Elliott Smith to Billy Corgan to Elton John? Pet Sounds influence alone makes it better than anything Nirvana released. They did pop better than Nirvana ever did, they did something timeless and have you looked at the musicians who hold it in such high esteem?

"His music (Brian Wilson's) definitely affected mine — the harmonies. Of course I never played in a band that could sing like that."
- Neil Young

"I've always been into harmonies, so I was inspired by that part of what they (the Beach Boys) were doing. It definetely influenced a generation of kids."
- Stevie Wonder

"I think I would put him up there with any composer — especially Pet Sounds. I don't think there is anything better that that, necessarily. I don't think you'd be out of line comparing him to Beethovan — to any composer. The word genius is used a lot with Brian. I don't know if he's a genius or not, but I know that music is probably as good as any music you can make."
- Tom Petty

"If there is one person that I have to select as a living genius of pop music, I would choose Brian Wilson. Without Pet Sounds, Sgt. Pepper wouldn't have happened... Pepper was an attempt to equal Pet Sounds."
- George Martin

"It was Pet Sounds that blew me out of the water. I love the album so much. ... I figure no one is educated musically 'til they've heard that album ... I love the orchestra, the arrangements ... it may be going overboard to say it's the classic of the century ... but to me, it certainly is a total, classic record that is unbeatable in many ways ... I've often played Pet Sounds and cried. ... "God Only Knows" is a big favorite of mine ... very emotional, always a bit of a choker for me, that one. On "You Still Believe In Me", I love that melody — that kills me ... that's my favorite, I think ... it's so beautiful right at the end ... comes surging back in these multi-colored harmonies ... sends shivers up my spine."
- Paul McCartney

"Pet Sounds is a landmark album. For me to say that I was enthralled would be an understatement. I had never heard such magical sounds, so amazingly recorded. It undoubtedly changed the way that I, and countless others, approached recording. It is a timeless and amazing recording of incredible genius and beauty."
- Elton John

"Pet Sounds became an instant classic when it first appeared. Listening to it today, it is, perhaps, easier to see why it was one of the defining moments of its time, along with the music of the Beatles, Pink Floyd and the Greatful Dead ... its willingness to abandon formula in favor of structural innovation, the introduction of classical elements in the arrangements, production concepts in terms of overall 'sound' which were novel at the time, all these elements give Pet Sounds a freshness that, thirty years later, is immediately there for the listener."
- Phillip Glass

"The first time I heard Pet Sounds, I have to admit that I did a little bit of knee-jerk in the same way probably the record company and some other people did because it wasn't as accessible as Brian's songwriting approach had been up to that time. I'm not sure I fully appreciated that until years later, I started making records myself."
- Lindsey Buckingham

"Jesus, that ear. He should donate it to The Smithsonian."
- Bob Dylan (On Brian Wilson)

"He was the most highly regarded pop musician in America, hands down. Everybody by that time had figured out who was writing and arranging it all. "In My Room" was the defining point for me. When I heard it, I thought "I give up — I can't do that — I'll never be able to do that.""
- David Crosby

"Pet Sounds is an unbelievable record. It's like classical music. Wonderful compositions, beautiful singing. I think the compositions stand up to any kind of interpretation. I've heard "Put Your Head On My Shoulder" played on the cello and it sounds like a piece music that's been with us for hundreds and hundreds of years. It sounds like it's always been there. And I think maybe in a hundred years' time people will be playing their songs on the piano trying to work out where they came from."
- Elvis Costello

"I consider Pet Sounds to be one of the greatest pop LPs to ever be released. It encompasses everthing that's ever knocked me out and rolled it all into one. Brian Wilson is, without a doubt, a pop genius."
- Eric Clapton

Originally Posted by Crowquill

And of all bands to praise over them, you praise Nirvana? What is Nirvana but a dated cliche grunge band? Everything about them screams 90s, and once again Kurt Cobain is a terrible lyricist who isn't a good singer. All untruth aside in your argument to hail Nirvana over the Beach Boys when the same argument could be applied to Nirvana is ridiculous and hypocritical.

Pet Sounds* is a great album, the melodies are beautiful and its one of the most influential albums ever. Vocal annoyances is completely a preference thing, I love his voice and if you're going to bitch about vocals you can at least point out Love, who does a good deal of the singing too. The vocal melodies were complex and innovative and have been repeated in pop ever since and bitching about the recording? Brian Wilson is an amazing producer and the recording techniques he used here were genius. Pet Sounds altered the face of music, Nirvana kick-started a trend.

You're really not arguing your point, your recycling the same crap and not backing up your original statement which was "Pet Sounds is worse than anything by Nirvana." which I have proven wrong several times already. So please if you're going to reply don't just go "uh, whats something about it I can bitch about? oh! the vocals yeah those suck and uh the production AWFUL and yeah blah blah" because the stuff you're saying isn't just ignorant, its flat out wrong.

Originally Posted by METALLICA89

Ive seen you on muiltipul forums saying Metallica and slayer are the worst **** you kid go suck your **** while you listen to your ****ing emo **** I bet you do listen to emo music

Originally Posted by ProggyMan

Let's see:
Their Melodies are beautiful: And all sound the same.
Their Influential: Never said they weren't.
Musicians Comments: I really don't care.
Vocals: They aren't technically spectacular and I think they're incredibly annoying.
"You just don't like the Beach Boys": Well, yeah, I don't like and think they suck. You like them and they're amazing. Are you somehow judging it more objectively than me?

Originally Posted by METALLICA89

Ive seen you on muiltipul forums saying Metallica and slayer are the worst **** you kid go suck your **** while you listen to your ****ing emo **** I bet you do listen to emo music

Originally Posted by ProggyMan

Yes I have. All you've done is quote a bunch of famous musicians and said how much you love them. I fail to see how your arguement is any more valid than mine. Seeing as this thread is supposed to be positive, I absolutely love God Only Knows and Sloop John B.

Originally Posted by METALLICA89

Ive seen you on muiltipul forums saying Metallica and slayer are the worst **** you kid go suck your **** while you listen to your ****ing emo **** I bet you do listen to emo music

Originally Posted by ProggyMan

"Losing"
Interesting. You accuse me of shouting "opinion" when I start "losing", yet you resort to personal insults. Odd. Once again, I never said Pet Sounds wasn't important or influential, I just said I though it wasn't very good. Your opinion on how good it is hasn't been backed up any more than mine.

Originally Posted by METALLICA89

Ive seen you on muiltipul forums saying Metallica and slayer are the worst **** you kid go suck your **** while you listen to your ****ing emo **** I bet you do listen to emo music