Urban Hat€monger ?

I already defined it for you. People who find most(Not all) chart music safe & boring.




Nope, I can remember the chart being crap in the 90s, the 80s. I can look back at charts from the 70s & 60s and you'll see it filled up with tons of novelty & corporate crap.It's so easy to look back with rose tinted glasses & think everything in the past was better but the fact is you have only listed 6 artists from over a 40 year period.

Why do you think people look out the charts & look for other things in the first place? without that you'd have no metal, no punk, no hip hop, no dance music, no electronica, no nothing.
You should be thanking people who want something new to listen to, not criticising them.

No, you are.
You're the one that said people just hate mainstream music. I didn't.
Did you not read where I said most people with any real appreciation of music will give artists credit?

Your opinion only
Manufactured pop acts have been around since the dawn of the charts. And every single major record company started for the sole intention of finding the next big seller and making money, whether that hit was actually musically worth anything substantial was just a bonus.


Nobody is saying this other than you. The reason I replied to you in the first place was to refute this claim you made.


I think he had it initially but he became so far away removed from any kind of reality to the point where he was just making crowd pleasing music that made money because that's what the record company expected of him.
When you sell truck loads of albums record companies expect the same thing from the next one. They don't want you taking risks.
And that's how we get back to boring music, music made to make money with no risks involved.
Do you see now?



You're missing the point here totally.
I was asking how you could claim someone hasn't heard him properly when he's releasing around 7 singles an album.
Like I said, in the UK he released 9 singles off an album that had 11 songs.
I don't understand how you can say that someone hasn't heard something when 9 songs off an 11 song album are regularly getting airplay & TV time.
Are the other 2 songs off the album really that amazing to change someone's opinion when they've heard the other 9 songs?

I just don't get how you can claim Jackson is one of the biggest pop artists ever in one breath & then claim that people have not heard him in another. It makes no sense, I hear the guy on the radio practically every day without wanting to hear him.

I don't see how anybody can look at Michael Jackson and say to someone 'You've just not listened to him properly yet'.

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Soulflower

That is not a definition and you never defined it

I am asking you to define what boring music is to you

What consists of boring music? Is it bland sound or lyrics?


Well of course every era of music had crap in it. I dont think I implied ALL the music from the past eras were perfect and if I did that was not my intentions. I just argued the pop scene during those eras were much better than what it is now. It had more variety and competition.


Of course there were more than six artists during that period but I purposely listed those artists for a reason. They were some of the most popular artists of their time and they still manage to produce quality music. I just brought those artists up to show you that there was a time that pop music had quality and talent. I can name drop 30 more artists from those eras that are still way better than whats out now.


Where did I critize anybody for looking for other types of music besides mainstream? I actually do the same thing myself because the current mainstream music does nothing for me.

The only point I was trying to make to you was that not all mainstream is bad and there was a time that the mainstream scene was alot better than what it is now. How is that criticizing someone who chooses to listen to other types of music?

You insisted that popular music had the lowest of the denominator which is why I responded to your post. To me that implies that you have a negative view of mainstream music. I never disagreed that it was music geared toward mass appeal. I just simply argued that the industry use to not be like how it is today and there actually use to be quality pop music.








LOL Your repeating what I already said but for some reason you seem to have a hang up over this. I dont see why the intentons of the label matters. If the artist is creative, artistic, talented and the music is good then what is the problem?

So just because their backed by a popular label that makes them bad? I just dont get that logic. And there are alot of singers that ruled the charts during their time that I wouldnt necessarily call "pop stars" like Stevie Wonder, Marvin Gaye, Aretha Franklin, etc


Then what is your hang up with pop music then?

Because that is the only reason why I replied to you to show to you than the pop industry was different in the past than what it is now. I dont particularly care for the pop music now but it wasnt always like this




Finally you define "boring music" lol I agree with your definition.

However,

If someone has talent then they have talent, period.

The rest of the post is your opinon which you are entitled to have. I disagree with it though. Ive listened to all of Michael Jackson music from when he was with the Jackson 5, to his early solo Motown albums, from his adult group with his brothers "The Jacksons" and listened to all his adult solo albums and his catalgoue is experimental, diverse and covers a wide range of themes and genres. I would suggest you listen to his music more than just his singles if you are basing his music on just his singles. I just think to say his music was not creative is laughable. Even alot of his singles were creative and experimental. I admit not all of them but most of them were.


From your posts it just seems like anything that is "popular or has mass appeal" is not creative and that is not necessarily true. It is also quite narrow minded.





Your talking about the BAD album and I agree if someone was basing their opinion on JUST the BAD album 2 songs wouldnt necessarily change their opinion but the rest of MJs albums he didnt release the the same amount of singles. BAD is actually a pretty good pop album with alot of strong singles. In Michaels case, I dont think its fair to judge all his albums the same because all his albums dont sound the same. Off The Wall doesnt sound like Thriller. Thriller doesnt sound like BAD. BAD doesnt sound like Dangerous and so forth.
I could see you making this arguement if he contiuned to use the same formula but his music was very diverse and different on all his albums.




I did not imply that at all.

I just simply said that you might would be interested in hearing his lesser known songs that are experimental if you dont care for his well known songs. Just because he is popular doesnt mean he doesnt have lesser known songs.



Most of his music with Quincy gets more credit than his later works which I find to be more experimenal and risk taking not to mention he does more producing and songwriting. Once again, just because he is popular doesnt mean he doesnt have lesser known songs.

Road Dog

When I was younger, I had that attitude about pop. Only rock was worth listening to. As I age however I appreciate pop more. Michael Jackson was one of the most talented performers ever.

Dulce

Gotta respect him aswell as Selena. Rip.

Ryu

I never was a fan of him. He has some cool good songs, but I never cared to listen to his songs somehow.

It's still a damn pity that he isn't at this world anymore.

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BlueGreenMood

My #1 musical love forever. I became a fan a few months after he passed away and I haven't looked at music the same ever since.

HIStory is my favorite album technically although if Blood On the Dance Floor had been an EP without those mediocre remixes, I'd call it my favorite. I think his 90s stuff was him releasing more of his artistic self while his QJ albums were polished pop that is too frikkin' good for me personally to hate even though I did have a phase of being a bit of a hipster-b!tch and that hipster-b!tch imp in me never seems to go away. Anyone a fan of his 90s stuff over his 80s?

Soulflower

Michael Jackson is my favorite artist of all time. I love this man so much. He is my musical hero and he was such a sweet person. I love his entire catalogue. I even love his catalogue with his brothers especially "The Jacksons" material where MJ wrote alot of their hits. He was one of the first artists I started listening to when I was little along with Stevie Wonder, Marvin Gaye and Bob Marley.

I enjoy all of Michaels music but I probably would go with his 90s material as well because its more mysterious, dark, personal, raw and artistic. The albums with Quincy are artistic as well but with Michaels 90s album, he really showcased his talent as an "artist" beyond a entertainer standpoint. He showcased his skills as well on the Q albums but with his 90s albums he was in full control over the lyrics and production. He took more artistic control and was heavily involved with producing, arranging and writing his own music. Its ashame that his later works dont get as much credit as his material with Quincy. I think albums like Dangerous and HIStory have a edge over albums like Thriller and BAD.

Blood On The Dance Floor is another underrated album by him. He was very vunerable and personal on songs like Morphine and Is It Scary.

Most pop stars today wouldnt dare to take such a risk in talking about their addiction, insecurities or their public image, physical image and eccentricieties.

Dangerous is another album that is very underrated from a production and lyrical standpoint. Michael put his foot in songs like In The Closet and Cant Let Her Get Away in which he did all the musical sounds with his own mouth!! lol

Michael is the greatest entertainer ever but I think he is very underrated as an artist and songwriter.

BlueGreenMood

You love MJ and Janelle?! Nice! Didn't mention it in the JM thread, but she's my #2 to MJ.

Totally agree with your entire post.

To me Destiny is kind of the beginning of MJ's adult career with songs like Bless His Soul, That's What You Get For Being Polite, and Things I Do For You- I'd say Shake Your Body to the Ground was a show at his hitmaking abilities, but the latter are more what I see in MJ as an emotive songwriter. Triumph is also an interlude between OTW and Thriller with Can You Feel It being the first killer track MJ wrote. WDAN and DSTYGE were great, but there was more oomph with MJ's music starting in the 80s- I think it was the darker sound that was ultimately so him that was showed off in Triumph, hinted a lot in Thriller, diluted in Bad, but still there, and fully realized in Dangerous and continued throughout the 90s. So happy to meet an MJ fan who is appreciative of Morphine and Is It Scary. Stranger In Moscow and Morphine are tied as my favorite MJ songs.

I felt like HIStory and Blood On the Dance Floor was MJ just blurting all his feelings out, while still leaving some mystery of course, but then when it came to Invincible he kind of downgraded himself stylistically although there are still some classic songs on that album. What's your opinion on Invincible?

MJ's songwriting is another thing as his beatboxing really shows how much he was involved and how the music was in his head! I love the beatbox Beat It demo that was released on the This Is It CD. Have you seen all the other snippets of MJ beatboxing on YouTube, it rocks!

butthead aka 216

hey mj fans im not trollin just want to ask the question and see what 'real' mj fans think of his child molestation stuff.

heres a link to court documents revealing the stuff they found in his house

link


and i read recent reports he spent between 25-35 mil to cover up molestation stuff


does this taint ur image of him at all or what do you think

thanks

djchameleon

Nope, most MJ fans deny everything that happened and still love him regardless.

There are a few that are able to separate his music from him as a human being but yeah blind devotion for the most part.

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