Neapolitan

It's not only the fans but The Beatles themselves as well. Even though they don't discredit Rock and Roll artist that come before them... they themselves act like they are the amazing and all powerful Oz. You have to watch Anthology to understand.

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NYSPORTSFAN

Elvis was a great vocalist no doubt but when it came to the many Beatles songs he covered he choked on "Hey Jude" actually not an easy song to sing and nailed it with "Yesterday" and "Something". Paul was a great vocalist he recorded on the same day "Yesterday", I've Just Seen a Face" and "I'm Down" the same day. Talk about range in music.

The one thing you guys seem to forget is the Beatles were more known as harmony singers and listen to the harmonies on Abbey Road for example.

I think you guys are shortchanging the Beatles as guitarists toward the end as George really developed into a great slide player and he developed an interesting technique country styled use of volume swells. There is more to playing the guitars than playing blues music. Again playing something like “Here Comes The Sun” is more technical than playing blues music as blues music is more about feel than technical prowess. I remember reading Eric Clapton saying George was a better all around guitar player.

As The Beatles both emerged from the Psychedelic era, & straddled it some with "The Beatles (The White Album)" (& some other material from the era), they became, as far as I'm concerned, a great guitar band. During their last incarnation they began tastefully introducing moog & using multiple keyboards as perfect coloring instruments, but this is overshadowed, for me at least, by the incredible variation of styles & textures of great guitar that are offered up by all three Beatles

Rjinn

I can't seem to get your point. First you ask me to give you an example of dissonant sounds fading in and out, I gave you one. Then you add "ending like Strawberry Fields Forever". Are you trying find a replica of the song? The argument was about sophistication, not copycats.

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NYSPORTSFAN

I guess you knew what I meant about the double fade-out ending that ends "Strawberry Fields Forever"

I am talking about "Strawberry Fields Forever" unusual song form called a double-fade with a fade in which is different than just fading in sounds during a track. I how they used it as a psychedelic effect. I like how the song fades out initially to silence and and then fades backs in with this dissonant out sounds backward music & and then fades out with odd vocal noises.

Many musicians fade in sounds in during a track the Beatles did it countless times but it's a different technique than the double fade-out ending of "Strawberry Fields Forever".

Howard the Duck

pointless.......

(trolls some more)

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blastingas10

The Stones weren't influenced by the Beatles, really? What about the song "I wanna be your man"?

I'm not so sure that chuck could play the pants off of the Beatles, and even if he could, the Beatles had a lot more versatile "pants" than chuck did.

NYSPORTSFAN

I agree with you and Neopolitan can have his opinion.

People like Aaron Copland, Leonard Bernstein, Leopold Stokowski, and Ned Rorem praised their music, and it was unheard of for classical composers of that stature to say anything good about rock music.

Pretty much every jazz musician can play rings around the majority of rock musicians. Does that make jazz music "better" than rock music? Not if you're not a fan of jazz. There are no absolute standards in music, only relative ones. The best music is the music you like the best.

The Beatles, to a man, played with a remarkable level of "feel", which is the sort of skill that non-musicians have difficulty grasping, let alone quantifying. They were extraordinarily attuned to playing (and singing) as a unit. They played together as a group, not as four individual musicians, and unless you've spent a fair bit of time playing in musical groups, you have no idea how rare and precious a skill that is.

laga

When I was young I used to go to a Bach for christmas and my cousin put these headphones on me playing this music - it was a mystical experience this party goin on - The song was Barbara Ann by the beach boys and was so incredible it had me a comitted fan for 30 years. The love and beauty in their songs never fail to please, beatles are good but not that good.

Neapolitan

I wasn't saying "The Stones weren't influenced by The Beatles," if you're trying to make out that was what I was saying then that would be an Aunt Sally. I was trying to say was that The Beatles were also influenced by The Rolling Stones. What I should had said was 'And it's the other way around [too] where The Beatels were influence by The Rolling Stones especially the album 12X5.'
You right their debut album was a little more than just Blues album, but I wasn't only going by what songs they put on their first album but what they were interested in then and what brought them together and what they played in clubs, which was R&B and Blues. R&B has a slightly different meaning in the UK. I am more use to refering to artist who are African-American artist as R&B. So I called the Stones a Blues band. The early Rolling Stones even the band Blues Incorperated where some of the member come from were considered a R&B band in the UK. The reason for saying The Rolling Stones started off as Blues (and R&B) outfit was basically point that the band sole existence wasn't due to The Beatles. The had their own reasons (seperate from The Beatles) for starting up a band. You can mentioned they were discovered because after The Beatles were signed they were looking for the next big thing. It might be true for other bands younger than The Beatles, but the Stones and The Beatles were contemparies - imo pretty much equal all things considered.

Besides all of that, is it so hard to fathom that The Beatles are not as all powerful as they are made out to be, that they weren't the impetus for every single band forming in the 60s and then-after?


I don't buy that. I mean both The Bealtles and the Stones then were new bands (then) doing covers song, and I know by today standard bands that only do their own material are a dime a dozen, but back then it was exceptable to do cover songs. It was a way for them to earn thier flight wings, until they could write their own material. So just because The Beatles came first and then helped them out I wouldn't spin it that it was the main reason the Stones would go on to write their own songs. The whole point to Rock and Roll was to write your own songs, right? I mean yeah The Beatles helped them but they were eventual go own to right their own material, because that was the reason for Rock n Roll.

In a way that shows you how The Beatles and The Stones comes from two different worlds. Mick Jagger (and even Elvis) took thier cue from R&B performers. I don't know how fimiliar you are with them but as the years went by Mick's dancing progressed and he did more and more. I don't know when the interveiw took place so I don't know what kind of thing Mick was doing. But it was always about showmanship, Mick the frontman and their are times he's not singing, so he was only “mach schau” so John understand that.


I laughed all through that part, it was if The Rolling Stones were "trolling" John Lennon and The Beatles.

To me it's more than opinions, I feel what I was trying to do is to show more respect and admiration for other artist other than The Beatles - I think that should be noted. Our understanding of the history of Rock n Roll is just different, that's all.

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I don't think talking about the Beatles in what they did is no way disrespecting what other people did.

While it's hard to find direct descendants of blues songs in the Beatles music one example would be "Yer Blues" you can detect blues influences in the Beatles music for example "Don’t Let Me Down, Can’t Buy Me Love, I’m Down, "She’s a Woman" and "I Feel Fine". It's kind of morphed blues pop rock, a hybrid of blues with a heavier melody than improvisation. "I Feel Fine" and "Day Tripper" are not really that different musically than "The Last Time" and "Satisfaction".

Pete Townshend has stated the Beatles were the key British group in influencing even him to write his own songs and many British rock acts. There is a you tube video of him stating that.

On "I Wanna Be Your Man" Keith Richards and Mick Jagger who were really amazed and impressed that they could just come up with a good song like this just like that! Keith Richards said something to them about this like how do you do it? And this inspired Keith Richards and Mick Jagger to start writing their own songs.