What? I found under the surface it's one of the more complex of their albums. (far more than de-loused and amp definitely). Especially considering you can hear ikey.

You're supposed to ask for my permission to use that.

Couldn't resist. :D

Seems a lot of hardcore fans hate this, can't see why. Especially considering I'm as harcore as they come.

Browsing the TMV last.fm shoutbox is always an adventure. It's fun to see all of the angsty TMV fanboys claim that they sold out.

Last.fm is great for finding idiots.

You know, I listened to Frances the Mute the other day for the first time in at least a year, and I gotta put it right up there next to Deloused in the Comatorium. I can't wait to see those guy live.

whats the best starter album for these dudes

De-loused in the Comatorium.

I'd dissagree, all of their albums are different enough that if you like one there's no guarantee you'd like another.