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Guybrush 08-29-2021 11:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Terrapin_Station (Post 2183189)
"Enjoying sex" doesn't mean "only in a traditional monogamous relationship" if we're talking about Zappa. He's not a Puritan like you folks seem to be.
I'm sure he was fine with Gail sleeping around.

Neapolitan 08-29-2021 11:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Terrapin_Station (Post 2183189)
"Enjoying sex" doesn't mean "only in a traditional monogamous relationship" if we're talking about Zappa. He's not a Shaker like you folks seem to be.
^ ftfy

Puritans seem to procreate unlike the Shakers. If you don't the right words precisely then what you say is opened up to interpretation. You fall down in the relavist's rabbit hole.

edit: my LG pad's spell check WA $in beast mode. I absolutely hate it!

Terrapin_Station 08-29-2021 11:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Guybrush (Post 2183193)
I'm sure he was fine with Gail sleeping around.
I have no idea. Probably only he and Gail knew for sure. And they're no longer around to tell us.

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Originally Posted by Neapolitan (Post 2183194)
^ ftfy

Puritans seem to procreate unlike the Shakers. You you don't the right words precisely then what you stymie opened up to interpretation. You fall down in the relavist's rabbit whore.
I'm a relativist, genius.

Guybrush 08-29-2021 11:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Terrapin_Station (Post 2183192)
I have a completely positive view of sluttiness.

If I were to find anything offensive, it would be something like "Love me less, respect me more," because that suggests an anti-sex view to me, as if loving a woman (with sexual connotations to that) somehow amounts to not respecting them, which is complete bull****.
Is this about your views? I thought we were discussing Frank Zappa. I feel like you're simply avoiding some good evidence counter to your position on FZ.

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Re Zappa alumni, I've worked with Ike Willis, Mike Keneally, Ed Mann, Tom and Bruce Fowler, Bobby Martin and Vinnie Colaiuta (mostly at different times, in different contexts).
That's really cool :)

Terrapin_Station 08-29-2021 11:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Guybrush (Post 2183197)
Is this about your views? I thought we were discussing Frank Zappa. I feel like you're simply avoiding some good evidence counter to your position on FZ.
I'm explaining how the reaction against "Love me less, respect me more" indicates nothing about value judgments of sluttiness.

Marie Monday 08-29-2021 11:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Terrapin_Station (Post 2183189)
"Enjoying sex" doesn't mean "only in a traditional monogamous relationship" if we're talking about Zappa. He's not a Puritan like you folks seem to be.
That's not what I was claiming at all. I was pointing out that you can enjoy having lots of sex, monogamously or not, and still shame women for doing so. It's called hypocrisy, double standards, or what have you

Terrapin_Station 08-29-2021 11:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Marie Monday (Post 2183201)
That's not what I was claiming at all. I was pointing out that you can enjoy having lots of sex, monogamously or not, and still shame women for doing so. It's called hypocrisy, double standards, or what have you
You were responding to a post of mine that said, "Zappa didn't find it negative or problematic or anything that men and women enjoyed sex."

So how would we be talking about a double standard, "shaming" women, etc.?

Guybrush 08-29-2021 12:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Terrapin_Station (Post 2183199)
I'm explaining how the reaction against "Love me less, respect me more" indicates nothing about value judgments of sluttiness.
Alright, I see your failing to address Butcher's criticism of Zappa in any meaningful way. I guess it's the closest you're gonna come to a concession.

Terrapin_Station 08-29-2021 12:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Guybrush (Post 2183203)
Alright, I see your failing to address Butcher's criticism of Zappa in any meaningful way. I guess it's the closest you're gonna come to a concession.
What in the world would count as a "meaningful way" to you?

Guybrush 08-29-2021 12:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Terrapin_Station (Post 2183205)
What in the world would count as a "meaningful way" to you?
It's the account of someone who spent a lot of time with Zappa, saw his behaviour and discussed women's lib and morals with him. She addressed what is understatedly called their double standard. How does your beef with a single slogan counter any of this?


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