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Originally Posted by Terrapin_Station (Post 2183220)

I'm not literally reading his intention, etc. The reason I said that is that what he's saying isn't actually in what we're talking about. So it must be coming from somewhere. I'm simply assuming that that would be his view.

How do you believe that we can literally read mental content such as intentions, thoughts, meanings, etc. into expressions correlated with the same? Can you explain the epistemic process there?

Context, non-verbal communication, and lots of other things. I'd never thought the forum's resident Autism Girl would ever get to explain these things to someone

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Originally Posted by bob_32_116 (Post 2182879)

I never bothered to seriously investigate Frank Zappa, having heard maybe an hour's worth in total of cuts from various albums, and not particularly liking any of them.

What albums were the ones you've heard?
He has a couple distinctive phases, very different from each other

I'd like to point out that this is the "Frank Zappa Appreciation Thread"

But seeing the amount of disdain that man gets here, maybe we should also have a "Frank Zappa is a Douchebag Thread", and this discussion could continue there?

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Originally Posted by Mucha na Dziko (Post 2183238)

Thread Nazis can gtfo.

Then we'd have to split the douchebag thread into Zappa is a douche because of x and Zappa is a douche because of y, forever fracturing the conversation to the point of each member getting their own Zappa thread. His relationship with Wild Man Fischer seemed pretty mockingly exploitative of his mental illness, which is a bigger issue than his sexism imo.

I'd rather talk about the music too so I'll just remind everyone of how underrated Läther is. I'd still call myself a fan despite my criticisms.

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 2183239)

Thread Nazis can gtfo.

I just mean that if I was to come to MB and wanted to talk about how great Zappa's music is, then I wouldn't be too thrilled about entering the "Zappa Appreciation Thread" and seeing a long quarrel about whether Zappa was a sexist or not.

Good. Keep out Zappa fans.

Frank Zappa Deprecation Thread. :D

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 2183240)

I'd like a thread of "Zappa Fans Who Disagree With Terrapin's Take On Meaning" please. Because I'm not remotely buying into this idea:-

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Originally Posted by Terrapin_Station (Post 2183179)

Meaning is subjective. It depends on what an individual has in mind, how the individual is thinking about the term in question. There's no necessary way to think about a term, positive, negative, or whatever.

"Five disgusting cockroaches" Does this term depend on what an individual has in mind? How can it mean anything except a precise number of insects that the speaker dislikes? If an individual has "three nice ponies" in mind, that's a misinterpretation; it's not, imo, an equally valid, subjective way to think about the term "five disgusting cockroaches".
(Examples of "five" not meaning 5 and "disgusting" used in a way that is not negatively judgemental would be appreciated, plus, for good measure, a subjective meaning for cockroach that is significantly different from what I'll find if I google "cockroach".)
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I'd rather talk about the music too so I'll just remind everyone of how underrated Läther is. I'd still call myself a fan despite my criticisms.

I'm guilty of contributing to this underratement. I never listen to Läther, and I can't remember why.

Zappa intended it to be a ultra lengthy release but the studio made him spread it out across several albums (Zappa in New York, Studio Tan, Sleep Dirt, Orchestral Favorites, and various bonus tracks). Some tracks are early variations from how they were originally released iirc. I'm partial to it because I think it flows really well and encompasses a lot of different sides of Zappa.