Sex Pistols vs. Ramones (pop, rock, albums, The Ramones, Fatboy SLim)

Urban Hat€monger ? · 06-20-2008, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Alfred

The Ramones were fun. The Sex Pistols were... depressing?

Try nihilistic

jackhammer · 06-20-2008, 05:39 PM

A strange thought I have had about this is, is that American music is generally positive and is optimistic. British music is generally pessimistic and nihilistic. This applies across the board and a thread is now gestating...

Urban Hat€monger ? · 06-20-2008, 05:50 PM

I think you may be right about that.
I think that's one of the reasons Oasis stood out so much when they were first around. Every song on that debut album was optimistic.

jackhammer · 06-20-2008, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Urban Hatemonger

I think you may be right about that.
I think that's one of the reasons Oasis stood out so much when they were first around. Every song on that debut album was optimistic.

Am I missing something?

Urban Hat€monger ? · 06-20-2008, 06:02 PM

Seriously

They're all about going out & living life to the full. Live Forever , Cigarettes & alcohol , Rock n Roll Star , Digsy's Dinner , Up In the Sky , Slide Away , Shakermaker ... all about that

About the only down song on that whole album is Married With Children.

jackhammer · 06-20-2008, 06:21 PM

The reason I quoted you was that you quoted optimism in English music which left me nonplussed!

Piss Me Off · 06-21-2008, 06:18 AM

I think it's a lot like the sarcastic sort of humour that seems to be mainly exclusive to Brits and gets lost on a lot of other countries. Just like that we're not really afraid to complain and be moody sods either, whereas music from other countries tends to be more upbeat.

Molecules · 06-21-2008, 11:19 AM

Gonna go with the Pistols, simply because their sole album proper stands on it's own, untainted by a decades-long career of self-parody like the Ramones. If the Ramones had quit after Road to Ruin it'd be almost even stevens

Rainard Jalen · 06-21-2008, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by jackhammer

A strange thought I have had about this is, is that American music is generally positive and is optimistic. British music is generally pessimistic and nihilistic. This applies across the board and a thread is now gestating...

I think this is a massive overgeneralization and isn't really true at all. Take a wider range of artists and you find the Americans turn out just as pessimistic and depressive as us moody gits. Conversely there's been plenty of British music geared towards optimism and a positive message. I think you're focussing on specific movements?

WaspStar · 06-21-2008, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Alfred

The Ramones were fun. The Sex Pistols were... depressing?

I have to disagree on that. NMTB is a lot of fun, once you start hearing the humor. On the other hand, even if you take it straight, I think it achieves the White Light/White Heat trick of taking ugliness and making it...attractive, even beautiful, by virtue of expressing it so perfectly.

Nothing against the Ramones, who I think are one of the better New York bands from that time, but they have nothing on the Pistols.

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06-20-2008, 05:39 PM	#402 (permalink)
jackhammer Ba and Be. Join Date: May 2007 Location: This Is England Posts: 17,331	A strange thought I have had about this is, is that American music is generally positive and is optimistic. British music is generally pessimistic and nihilistic. This applies across the board and a thread is now gestating... __________________ It be my music and film collection. “A cynic by experience, a romantic by inclination and now a hero by necessity.”

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Urban Hat€monger ? The Sexual Intellectual Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Somewhere cooler than you Posts: 18,605	I think you may be right about that. I think that's one of the reasons Oasis stood out so much when they were first around. Every song on that debut album was optimistic. __________________ Urb's RYM Stuff Most people sell their soul to the devil, but the devil sells his soul to Nick Cave.

06-20-2008, 06:02 PM	#405 (permalink)
Urban Hat€monger ? The Sexual Intellectual Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Somewhere cooler than you Posts: 18,605	Seriously They're all about going out & living life to the full. Live Forever , Cigarettes & alcohol , Rock n Roll Star , Digsy's Dinner , Up In the Sky , Slide Away , Shakermaker ... all about that About the only down song on that whole album is Married With Children. __________________ Urb's RYM Stuff Most people sell their soul to the devil, but the devil sells his soul to Nick Cave.

06-20-2008, 06:21 PM	#406 (permalink)
jackhammer Ba and Be. Join Date: May 2007 Location: This Is England Posts: 17,331	The reason I quoted you was that you quoted optimism in English music which left me nonplussed! __________________ It be my music and film collection. “A cynic by experience, a romantic by inclination and now a hero by necessity.”

06-21-2008, 06:18 AM	#407 (permalink)
Piss Me Off Moodswings n' Roundabouts Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: At the corner of Dude and Catastrophe Posts: 4,512	I think it's a lot like the sarcastic sort of humour that seems to be mainly exclusive to Brits and gets lost on a lot of other countries. Just like that we're not really afraid to complain and be moody sods either, whereas music from other countries tends to be more upbeat. __________________ Last FM Rate Yr Music Muxtape

06-21-2008, 11:19 AM	#408 (permalink)
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