jibber

actually come to think about it, most early punk bands didnt ever showcase a lot of "technical" talent. Much of early punk music (as much of it is toady) was based on the "feel" of the music rather than coming up with a clean, and "well put together" sound. So saying that the pistols were a lesser band because they didnt showcase a lot of technical ability isn't really a fair point, seeing as how that wasnt at all the focus in punk music at the time.

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ThoughtOfMind

Neither. I'd rather some Minor Threat or Flipper if I want to hear some real punk.

Kameleon

Ramones of course

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almauro

The Sex Pistols were flat out one of the greatest rock n roll bands ever (I'm talking pre-Vicious). Awesome rhythm and guitar, but what put them over was Johnny Rotten. They guy just had attitude out the ying-yang and ripped everone in site...and was pretty funny too. The Ramones were boring, kinda like Sha Na Na.

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jibber

the sex pistols had more in your face, over the top stage antics. The ramones were a lot more subtle, but in no way boring in my opinion. they had a certain intensity to them, but it was a very controlled type, i don't agree that the ramones were at all a "sha na na" type band.

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bloodorflies

ramones by a mile

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mr-bungle

I haven't heard much of The Ramones so I'll go for The Sex Pistols, even though they were complete a-holes.

visualsynergy

You're wrong. The only member of the Sex Pistols that had a drug addiction was Sid, and even then his part was dubbed in by original member Glen Matlock. The Pistols did experiment with drugs recreationally and Rotten was picked up by the cops for having a little bit of speed on him, but that's about as far as it goes. You're either misinformed or just have no idea what you're talking about, so you might want to get the facts first before making false accusations like that. And Johnny Rotten was very much responsible for creating the whole punk ideology and helped to really get punk into the mainstream, so The Sex Pistols did more than The Ramones ever did in the name of music.

And Malcom Laclaren may have been manipulative, but he never stopped Rotten or the boys from coming up with their own ideas or making them change their image just to make money so he really had no effect on them artistically-speaking either way.

right-track

He didn't need to. His job of fabricating a band for his own benefit was already done.
I have the opinion that neither the Sex Pistols or the Ramones are punk.
The reason I say this, is that the Ramones were not even classed as a punk band by British punks at the time the Pistols were doing their thing, that came later.
And as the scene grew in England (which is ironic because punk was deemed dead by the music press after the Pistols ended) the Sex Pistols were looked down on by 'real punks', after McClaren was seen for what he was...a manipulator out for a quick killing.