what made you punk? (quote, suicide, Kora, Lute, Hang)

All_Nite_Dinah · 12-02-2005, 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Stark Reflection

Nihilism also seeks to free human existance of Govermant Oppression and Religeon but also disposes of all Baseless Values and realises that which is Tangible an that which is not.

Um nihlism has nothing to do with abolishing government or religion. Nihlism is just the belief that government and religion are pointless as is most of life like reading the paper, cooking big meals, going to work, making the bed. Nihilism more or less just denies everything with no goal towards individual autonomy or anything else. Nihilism is a much more self serving mindset where as anarchism strives for an almost utopian society with belief in individuals .

Stark Reflection · 12-02-2005, 10:33 AM

I disagree, indeed most of what you stated can be renderd without point but govermant, religeon, law, moral values all condition the individuals freedom and percpetion, if you control the Value you control the action and the outcome, if the power exists to manipulate us with false and baseless values then i see no reason not to discard of such a power if for anything, personal freedom, it is self serving but the eradication of this refuse is beneficial to the self in an objective sense.

The vision of a world free of this is a Nihilistic Vision but there would be many instabilties that lead to unnatural human actions (Suicide being one example) were all of it to go and the the Values still remain...how one would achive such a revolution and the actions taken to achive it define the difference between an Anachists revolution and that of a Nihilists.

I quote:

"The randomness of nature is a powerful asset because it negates the credibility of teleology, that purposeful predestination that undermines freewill. So one actually has the option to passively accept the socio-historically established concoction of absolutes, truth and moral laws, the objective reality which can be nothing but myth. Or they can accept real for what it is and assume the healthier role of active participant constantly defining existence through perception and intelligence. In this way defining existence is predicated upon life, conscious awareness of sensory input combined with critical interpretation of what that input means. And the more highly developed the conscious or the greater the intelligence the more effective and meaningful is existence.

Passivity is a myth. We are all intricately enmeshed within a dynamic system that doesn't just demand but compels active decision-making.

Hence the difference between passive 'social' and active 'political' nihilism is that one accepts whatever happens within futility and pointlessness while the other destroys/creates meaning and value. Which path a person takes is a personal decision within the limits of ability and that means one does have choice; existence is not predetermined or fatally ordained. However default answers and the compulsion of conformity shouldn't be overlooked. Reality is contextual."

(Freydis)

deadkennediespunk · 12-02-2005, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by dirt mcgirt

last night son. watchin a porno flick an touchin myself. naamean?

i think most guys do that just for fun

deadkennediespunk · 12-02-2005, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by MIsfitspunk

No.

thats not funny man i cant tell if someones sarcastic on the internet

sleepy jack · 12-02-2005, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by deadkennediespunk

thats not funny man i cant tell if someones sarcastic on the internet

Wasn't being sarcastic dude.

deadkennediespunk · 12-02-2005, 07:22 PM

then if you ask me your a poser if your going to run around thinking your punk atleast by the clothes at a show

~~bungalow~~ · 12-02-2005, 07:23 PM

What!? You dont buy all of your clothes from Hot Topic. You are not punk

sleepy jack · 12-02-2005, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by deadkennediespunk

then if you ask me your a poser if your going to run around thinking your punk atleast by the clothes at a show

Yeah cause i so around with my 8 inch mohawk and studs on that leather jacket im always wearing

All_Nite_Dinah · 12-02-2005, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Stark Reflection

between an Anachists revolution and that of a Nihilists.

A "nihilistic revolution" would never occur. Nihilism would most likely dictate that revolution was a waste of time becuase, wel damn b thats going to be alot of work for nothing. A nihlist would have nothing to do with politics because well politics involve organization and futility thus they are a trivial establishment of man not to be dealt with. Nihlism offers no incredible goals of revolution or autonomy or anything els for that matter all it offers is is a system by which one can say that they find stuff to pointless to partake in its a pretty selfish concept. Where as anarchism does in facts have the goal of individual autonomy for EVRY person and the belief more so that the only way possible of acheeiving this is through a revolution that could never be achieved through a nihlistic lifestyle. Especially if you look at anrcho-collectivism the idea is nearly the exact reciprocal of nihlism, individuals working together to live happily ever after.

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Hence the difference between passive 'social' and active 'political' nihilism is that one accepts whatever happens within futility and pointlessness while the other destroys/creates meaning and value.

(Freydis)

I really dont understand what a nihlist would create or destroy simply because the nihlistic philosphy is sort of, "why break it if they will bui;d it again" or "why build it if it could break"

EDGE · 12-02-2005, 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by bungalowbill357

Your name is Chicken and Waffuls.....you may just be the furthest thing from punk since LFO

12-02-2005, 10:33 AM	#42 (permalink)
Stark Reflection Groupie Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Wales Posts: 20	I disagree, indeed most of what you stated can be renderd without point but govermant, religeon, law, moral values all condition the individuals freedom and percpetion, if you control the Value you control the action and the outcome, if the power exists to manipulate us with false and baseless values then i see no reason not to discard of such a power if for anything, personal freedom, it is self serving but the eradication of this refuse is beneficial to the self in an objective sense. The vision of a world free of this is a Nihilistic Vision but there would be many instabilties that lead to unnatural human actions (Suicide being one example) were all of it to go and the the Values still remain...how one would achive such a revolution and the actions taken to achive it define the difference between an Anachists revolution and that of a Nihilists. I quote: "The randomness of nature is a powerful asset because it negates the credibility of teleology, that purposeful predestination that undermines freewill. So one actually has the option to passively accept the socio-historically established concoction of absolutes, truth and moral laws, the objective reality which can be nothing but myth. Or they can accept real for what it is and assume the healthier role of active participant constantly defining existence through perception and intelligence. In this way defining existence is predicated upon life, conscious awareness of sensory input combined with critical interpretation of what that input means. And the more highly developed the conscious or the greater the intelligence the more effective and meaningful is existence. Passivity is a myth. We are all intricately enmeshed within a dynamic system that doesn't just demand but compels active decision-making. Hence the difference between passive 'social' and active 'political' nihilism is that one accepts whatever happens within futility and pointlessness while the other destroys/creates meaning and value. Which path a person takes is a personal decision within the limits of ability and that means one does have choice; existence is not predetermined or fatally ordained. However default answers and the compulsion of conformity shouldn't be overlooked. Reality is contextual." (Freydis) __________________ "Passivity is a myth. We are all intricately enmeshed within a dynamic system that doesn't just demand but compels active decision-making."

12-02-2005, 07:22 PM	#46 (permalink)
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12-02-2005, 07:23 PM	#47 (permalink)
~~bungalow~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Hot-lanta Posts: 3,140	What!? You dont buy all of your clothes from Hot Topic. You are not punk