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Old 07-16-2020, 07:41 AM   #181 (permalink)
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'Bend Sinister' is my favorite Fall album - it's got a sense of tension and suspense that none of their other albums have. Granted, it doesn't have the anger and bile that is a dominant trait of many of their other albums, but it hangs together as an album incredibly well. My only disappointment with the album is that 'Auto Tech Pilot' was left off of the original release. It's the perfect closing track for the album.

Their worst album? Tough call, but I've never had much love for 'Are You Are Missing Winner'. Unlike some people, I'm quite fond of most of their '90s releases.
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Old 07-16-2020, 06:49 PM   #182 (permalink)
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I like Bend Sinister a lot, but the slower songs are not really The Fall at their strongest imo

they sound like lesser Joy Division rather than their idiosyncratic rockabilly garage punk meets angry dissertation

don't sleep on Are You Missing Winner either
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Old 07-17-2020, 10:28 AM   #183 (permalink)
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I like Bend Sinister a lot, but the slower songs are not really The Fall at their strongest imo
Generally elph, I'd agree with you. But honestly when I think about it, my two favorite Fall songs are both slower numbers ("Gross Chapel - British Grenadiers" and "Hexen Def. Strife Knot"). The tendency is that most Fall songs are not slow so in totality, they definitely have a lot more quality fast songs.

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they sound like lesser Joy Division rather than their idiosyncratic rockabilly garage punk meets angry dissertation
I'm guessing you're not a big fan of their '90s stuff (Code Selfish, Shiftwork, Middle Class Revolt, etc.)? I think your description fits most of their late-70s to mid-80s output well, but their sound evolved a lot over the years. I can see kinda where you're going with the Joy Division comparison in regards to Bend Sinister, but even then, there were songs on there like Dr. Faustus, Shoulder Pads, Bournemouth Runner, and Mr. Pharmacist that would never appear on a Joy Divison LP (they're not bleak enough - way too peppy).

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Oh trust me, I've listened quite a few times and I'm not sleeping on it. But your comment did give me pause and I'd like to retract my assertion that I think it's their worst album. I'd actually have to give that honor to Reformation Post TLC. An album with a few gems but also jam-packed with half-baked ideas. AYAMW would probably be my runner-up for worst album (it would rank higher without Afro-Ibis Man) and Cerebral Caustic would probably be the third worst.
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Old 07-17-2020, 08:05 PM   #184 (permalink)
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I like some of their 90s albums to a fair degree, just not as much as their early stuff ofc

they get better in the 00s (like everything did)
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Old 07-19-2020, 09:46 PM   #185 (permalink)
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I like some of their 90s albums to a fair degree, just not as much as their early stuff ofc

they get better in the 00s (like everything did)
Out of curiosity, what is your favorite '90s Fall album? (I promise, you tell me yours, and I'll tell you mine).

Honestly though, and perhaps you and I could discuss this in more depth, but I really think the Fall's '90s albums are better than their '00s albums. Their best '00s album, in my opinion, was Fall Heads Roll (this is of course, debatable) - but their body of work in the '90s was so different and varied that I don't think I could ever think their '00s work was better as a whole. Real New Fall LP and Imperial Wax Solvent and Fall Heads Roll? Great albums. But up against the likes of Code Selfish, Middle Class Revolt, Infotainment Scan, Levitate and The Marhsall Suite? I'll take their '90s output every time.
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Old 07-19-2020, 10:33 PM   #186 (permalink)
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Well Extricate is really really good

if you want my opinion on those, I have a journal on my top 20 Fall albums here, unfinished because my laptop crapped out + depression
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Old 07-20-2020, 06:29 AM   #187 (permalink)
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Oh really? For sure I'd be interested to read that! Do you have a link?

Sorry to hear about the depression - hopefully MusicBanter generally helps alleviate that instead of add to it. Do you have any plans on finishing the journal?
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