Alexander the Grape

I'm not sure if its that all forms of government are flawed as much as its that all humans are flawed.

swim

Well if humans are flawed and the system depends on the trust that humans will act in an intended way then the system is flawed.

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Alexander the Grape

That's a very good point. However, because human nature is flawed there can never be a system that isn't flawed. I personally don't even think there can be one that works well enough to be acceptable.

Wow, thats probably the punkest thing I've ever said, but thats not why I said it.

boo boo

I'm not anti-captitalism per se, even though my people have been damned to near extinction because of it. I am however very opposed to free trade. Which does nothing but enable corrupt soul sucking corporate demons of every kind to do whatever the hell they want.

This is your most blatantly ignorant comment of the week. Congratulations.

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TheBig3

Perhaps you don't get it. I've written pages and pages about the validity of this opinion. I've researched twice as much as I've written.

Ignorant is something you and your uneducated ilk throw around as if you've gained some form of monopoly on the word. Or rather if those of us using facts have gained a sort of monopsony. The fact remains that I said why it was not only logical but beneficial.

You still seem to think that you're going to go in to Thailand with your Blue Helmet on and demanding that the rice farmer gets $15 an hour to make irregular sweaters for Old Navy. Pull your head out of your ass you uneducated little boy and go visit the real world. Go back to telling me The Beatles are some sort of infallible group of demigod's where you can at least fake knowing what you're talking about when you secretly just pull out the same boring tid bits Rolling Stone has been cramming down the American esophagus for the past 40 ****ing years.

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boo boo

I enjoy your rants. I know you're just stressin' tho. Relax. Lets make sweet love by the fireplace.

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boo boo

Also. Even though what you said about sweatshops is correct. It makes jobs only for people in other countries. And call me a selfish jackass but thats not our responsibility, we need to look after our own. And downsizing and offshoring claims more jobs than illegal immigration ever will.

Besides, taking all the cons of sweatshops like horrid working conditions and low wages into consideration. Simply being employed dosen't seem to be that much of a pro.

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PopIsDead

I think some punk bands are anti-capitalist just because they like to rebel against things. They just like being against the way things are where they live. If they lived in Sweden, they'd rebel against democratic socialism just because they'd seem more "badass" that way.

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Trauma

Independent enterprise is indeed Capitalism, however, I'm sure most "punks" are rebelling against the idea of Capitalism being exploited by individuals getting lucky and building a wealth so great as to lessen the lives of others around them.

As Crowquill said, a lot of "punks" probably have anti-Capitalist mission statements because they get sucked into the average ideas of all punk bands, which is mostly hating the system.

Typically, the system is Capitalism.

No practice of government is flawed.
In practice, humans are flawed, and in turn, make the otherwise "good on paper" ideas tainted.

Picking up on Catie's idea, if in fact the system is inherently flawed because of humans, then Capitalism, Communism,etc. would have been flawed the moments they were conceived.

My theory is that humanity copes with everything being flawed since humanity itself is flawed.
Thus, you can't look at something with moral and say, "This is flawed", because you are inherently flawed.
I guess it's an extrapolation of what Catie was saying.

If you want to put the idea of imperfection in context, then I would say that Capitalism, Communism, Anarchism,etc. work fine given the base idea of humanity; no government is corrupt, nor the ideas on paper tarnished.
What makes any form of government seem inherently fractured is the fact that there are always different components of any society judging their government on terms of disagreement or agreement based on how their individual lives are affected or effected.
People may disagree with the principles of a particular government based on their living standard, morals, personal experience, or perception of reality.

No entire collection of people living in a unified society at any one moment can be truly happy, or completely agree with the pretext that their lives fall under, for that would be a utopia.

"Ce n'est rien. J'y suis. J'y suis toujours." from "Qu'est-ce pour nous, mon coeur" by Arthur Rimbaud effectively articulates what I'm trying to say.

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Capitalism pays my bills