Did Malcolm McLaren Invent Punk? (bass, rock, single, The Ramones)

~~ADELE~~ · 02-08-2008, 05:43 PM

He started with the New York Dolls and then made the Sex Pistols. So I guess he made Punk. He claims he did and it was all his own idea when the Dolls wanted to be the Stones and he showed them how then invented the Pistols which led to the Clash and every other UK punk outfit.

SATCHMO · 02-08-2008, 07:07 PM

What!!!!!!!

Urban Hat€monger ? · 02-08-2008, 07:08 PM

No he just thinks he did.

And he only managed the New York Dolls in their final year.

SATCHMO · 02-08-2008, 09:02 PM

If malcom Mclaren were born 20 years later he'd likely be credited for inventing the boy band.

655321 · 02-08-2008, 09:14 PM

it seems someone always has something to sayt about who invented punk, i say it started off wiht small bands someone noticed them then expoilted them

oo wait that is what happend and it happend in england, the east and west coast of the use around the same time

there is no single inventer

~~ADELE~~ · 02-08-2008, 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Urban Hatemonger

No he just thinks he did.

And he only managed the New York Dolls in their final year.

I don't even think it was called punk worldwide till the pistols were invented and he did invent them. They were his brainchild let's face it.
Punk only began with the pistols. The Clash formed after seeing them so did the Buzz****s and even the Smiths (not punk I know).
I don't reckon the dolls even knew what punk was at the time. The Ramones could be the first but I think it was the pistols and the UK that invented punk music as we know it. He invented them and so he does have a claim to say he invented the whole movement.
If he didn't who did?

Urban Hat€monger ? · 02-08-2008, 10:07 PM

All McLaren did was find them a bass player in Glen Matlock , get them a record deal & talk a load of crap.

He didn't even have any creative control over them and when he tried to they'd just tell him to f*ck off.

People read far too much into the Great Rock n Roll Swindle movie.

Punk evolved , it didn't start.

sleepy jack · 02-08-2008, 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by ADELE

I don't even think it was called punk worldwide till the pistols were invented and he did invent them. They were his brainchild let's face it.

The term punk has been around long before the Sex Pistols, you're overrating them.

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Punk only began with the pistols. The Clash formed after seeing them so did the Buzz****s and even the Smiths (not punk I know).

The Smiths and The Clash's formation had nothing to do with the Sex Pistols. I don't even know how you could think The Smiths formed after seeing them seeing as they formed several years after the Pistols broke up.

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I don't reckon the dolls even knew what punk was at the time. The Ramones could be the first but I think it was the pistols and the UK that invented punk music as we know it.

The Ramones came before the Pistols, they were punk. Also there's The Stooges too they came way before the Pistols and they were influential to punk and very punky.

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He invented them and so he does have a claim to say he invented the whole movement.
If he didn't who did?

The Sex Pistols weren't even the first punk sounding band. Their image wasn't original either. McLaren just saw what Richard Hell was doing and brought it over the UK.

Lizzie · 02-08-2008, 11:20 PM

Yeah, I would not say at all that the Sex Pistols were the first punk band, for they weren't. They may have been the first British punk rock band, but certainly not the first band to be punk, so no matter if McLaren 'created' then or not, he did not create punk.

right-track · 02-09-2008, 01:28 AM

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Originally Posted by SATCHMO

If malcom Mclaren were born 20 years later he'd likely be credited for inventing the boy band.

^ This is probably very true.

McClaren was a businessman, an entrepreneur with an eye for what was going on around him.
He mismanaged everything he did, brilliantly.
Very similar to Tony Wilson in that respect...both were twats, both were Situationists.

@Lizzie...There is an argument that Vivienne Westwood (his wife) had as much to do with punk, at least as the fashion side of things went.
Without her input, the whole punk image would have had less impact.
And lets face it, the whole punk movement was as much about what people were wearing, as it was about the music.

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~~ADELE~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: London Posts: 466	Did Malcolm McLaren Invent Punk? He started with the New York Dolls and then made the Sex Pistols. So I guess he made Punk. He claims he did and it was all his own idea when the Dolls wanted to be the Stones and he showed them how then invented the Pistols which led to the Clash and every other UK punk outfit. Last edited by ADELE; 02-08-2008 at 05:44 PM. Reason: Spelling error!!!

02-08-2008, 07:08 PM	#3 (permalink)
Urban Hat€monger ? The Sexual Intellectual Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Somewhere cooler than you Posts: 18,605	No he just thinks he did. And he only managed the New York Dolls in their final year. __________________ Urb's RYM Stuff Most people sell their soul to the devil, but the devil sells his soul to Nick Cave.

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655321 i ruin threads Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: littleton newhampshire Posts: 110	it seems someone always has something to sayt about who invented punk, i say it started off wiht small bands someone noticed them then expoilted them oo wait that is what happend and it happend in england, the east and west coast of the use around the same time there is no single inventer __________________ Well there's one thing to know about this town Not a person doesn't want me underground

02-08-2008, 10:07 PM	#7 (permalink)
Urban Hat€monger ? The Sexual Intellectual Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Somewhere cooler than you Posts: 18,605	All McLaren did was find them a bass player in Glen Matlock , get them a record deal & talk a load of crap. He didn't even have any creative control over them and when he tried to they'd just tell him to fck off. People read far too much into the Great Rock n Roll Swindle movie. Punk evolved , it didn't start. __________________ Urb's RYM Stuff Most people sell their soul to the devil, but the devil sells his soul to Nick Cave.*

02-08-2008, 11:20 PM	#9 (permalink)
Lizzie Diskobox Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: vancouver Posts: 660	Yeah, I would not say at all that the Sex Pistols were the first punk band, for they weren't. They may have been the first British punk rock band, but certainly not the first band to be punk, so no matter if McLaren 'created' then or not, he did not create punk. __________________ white and black, are you looking for the sun boy? the sun doesn't shine down here, no, not in the shadow

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SATCHMO Al Dente Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Texas Posts: 4,708	What!!!!!!!

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SATCHMO Al Dente Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Texas Posts: 4,708	If malcom Mclaren were born 20 years later he'd likely be credited for inventing the boy band.