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Old 04-22-2008, 01:16 PM   #161 (permalink)
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I'm not saying you need sales to be popular I'm saying you need to be popular to sell.
Yeah I wasn't claiming otherwise but that would make selling a factor of popularity.

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Yes I have told you my 2 sources, I quoted them and cited them properly, If you've never heard of them that's your problem, google 'em up or something.
Yeah I did I didn't come up with much and none of it was related to music. Quit dodging who your sources were, if they're so credible you shouldn't be so embarrassed to say who they were should you?

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No it implies 'In general".

"Christians are foolish", that's a generalization, which means i'm speaking of them in general. I'm speaking of a group, not a specific entitiy or object.
General - Definitions from Dictionary.com

"of or pertaining to all persons or things belonging to a group or category: a general meeting of the employees."

The dictionary disagrees with you oh so smart one.

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This falls into the category of being popular without selling, I've adressed this above so let's stop wasting time splitting hairs on this.
Which would make selling a biproduct of popularity which kind of debunks your point doesn't it?

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I repeat: It implies "In general".
I repeat, the dictionary>you.

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Ok......so it gives you sales indirectly. People read a positive review which assures them it's a good album and they feel compelled to buy it. So.....what's your point?
That you don't make money off of album reviews...quite simple?

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Shoddy spelling > shoddy reading comprehention.
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It represents modern, mainstream pop in general, which is what I'm reffering to.
Nsync broke up six years ago they don't really represent anything modern do they? As for Britney Spears I think its unfair to set her as the bar for pop music seeing as the media thinks shes nothing but a joke now.

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If I remember correctly, I started this thread, I started this argument, you are debating my point, and my point (which started as a question) is:

Notice the usage of the PRESENT TENSE. That's what I've been using in all of my points. I'm not talking about the 60's I'm talking about THIS era of time.
If you're going to discuss a genre of music you have to discuss its history and when its history was very pop-punk then it comes into play. Why is this such a hard concept for you to grasp? We we're discussing the 70s anyway, not the 60s. Once again showing your ignorance.

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If someone said "Americans are fat", they aren't talking about the colonial age or the industrial revolution, obviously, and they are also talking about Americans in general, it's NOT implied that they explicitly are reffering to ALL Americans.
Um...I don't see how past/present references comes into play here at all...but the dictionary still disagrees with you that general doesn't mean all..so yeah...
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Old 04-22-2008, 04:01 PM   #162 (permalink)
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it's amazing how retarded this thread has become...i mean it was pretty retarded to begin with, but fukk sake!
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Old 04-22-2008, 04:04 PM   #163 (permalink)
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I'm ashamed I've resorted to arguing over the definition of words. Okay time to regain my credibility.



LOL @ YOU, WHO ARE YOU TO TELL ANYONE ABOUT MUSIC YOU THINK PINK FLOYD IS PROTO-METAL/HARD ROCK
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Old 04-22-2008, 04:29 PM   #164 (permalink)
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The above is a much more credible path to take, yes.
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Old 04-25-2008, 07:18 AM   #165 (permalink)
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It's not an oxymoron as I understand it due to there being too many similarities between the two genres. An oxymoron would be two entirely contradicting terms. I enjoy the oxymoron "molten-ice." I hope you enjoy it too.
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Old 04-25-2008, 04:33 PM   #166 (permalink)
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...nobody was denying that to begin with.
Exellent.

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And who was making a defense of "mainstream, modern pop in general"? If that's all you mean, then you're preaching to the choir. Very few people here like the over-produced top 10 chart music of 2008.
You finally get it? It's a miracle.
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Old 04-25-2008, 04:59 PM   #167 (permalink)
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Yeah I wasn't claiming otherwise but that would make selling a factor of popularity.
Selling is not a factor of popularity, popularity is a factor of selling. The effect of selling on popularity is invariable, if you sell alot you have to be popular (unless you can conceive how one would sell without being popular). Popularity is not invariable of selling however, you can be popular with varying degrees of selling, including not selling anything at all.

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Yeah I did I didn't come up with much and none of it was related to music. Quit dodging who your sources were, if they're so credible you shouldn't be so embarrassed to say who they were should you?
I told you who they are, it's right there in the citation.

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General - Definitions from Dictionary.com

"of or pertaining to all persons or things belonging to a group or category: a general meeting of the employees."

The dictionary disagrees with you oh so smart one.
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of, pertaining to, or true of such persons or things in the main, with possible exceptions; common to most; prevalent; usual: the general mood of the people.
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Which would make selling a biproduct of popularity which kind of debunks your point doesn't it?
BY-products are unwanted, unintended, extra products. Selling is exactly what they want, selling is the product.

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I repeat, the dictionary>you.
I repeat: Dictionary = me

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That you don't make money off of album reviews...quite simple?
But they do. Good album review = incentive/advertisements = sales.

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Shoddy spelling > poor reading comprehension*

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Nsync broke up six years ago they don't really represent anything modern do they? As for Britney Spears I think its unfair to set her as the bar for pop music seeing as the media thinks shes nothing but a joke now.
A. I don't recall mentioning Nsync.
B. They do none-the-less represent this 'era' of pop music. Videos/appearence/selling is more importaint than the music.
C. I didn't set her AS the bar, it's her AMONG many other musicians like her.

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If you're going to discuss a genre of music you have to discuss its history and when its history was very pop-punk then it comes into play. Why is this such a hard concept for you to grasp? We we're discussing the 70s anyway, not the 60s. Once again showing your ignorance.
The fact that there was pop-punk in punks history means nothing. We went over this. Pop-punk is NOT the same thing as punk, as you agree'd, so it doesn't pertain to any thing I'm trying to say.

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Um...I don't see how past/present references comes into play here at all...but the dictionary still disagrees with you that general doesn't mean all..so yeah...
It agrees with what I've said, it doesn't really matter anyway we both know what I meant when I said 'In general'. If you misunderstood what I meant I hope you understand now and we can get back to the main point.
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Old 04-25-2008, 05:03 PM   #168 (permalink)
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LOL @ YOU, WHO ARE YOU TO TELL ANYONE ABOUT MUSIC YOU THINK PINK FLOYD IS PROTO-METAL/HARD ROCK
Never said pink floyd was metal I was reffering to LZ, you know this is true as I've explained a couple times now yet you refuse get over it. I do hold that they are hard rock though.
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Old 04-25-2008, 05:04 PM   #169 (permalink)
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You can always tell when a threads run it's course when people start arguing about dictionary definitions.
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Old 04-25-2008, 05:06 PM   #170 (permalink)
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Never said pink floyd was metal I was reffering to LZ, you know this is true as I've explained a couple times now yet you refuse get over it. I do hold that they are hard rock though.
How the hell are Pink Floyd hard rock? Please explain.
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