Ramones vs. The Clash

The Monkey · 09-18-2009, 06:07 AM

The thing is, I don't see Ramones to be as creative as The Clash, they just sound like a mix of The Beach Boys and New York Dolls. I don't understand how they can be considered an embodiment of punk (nor how their music can be considered punk in the first place).

Punk isn't about not giving a **** about anything, it's the attitude to want to change the world. I don't think the Ramones live up to that part.

**Janszoon** · 09-18-2009, 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by wad

Nah. Not my cup of tea, the whole celtic thing is a little silly to me. I like my punk a little more in your face

It's hard for me to think of anything more in your face than Shane MacGowan.

Piss Me Off · 09-18-2009, 08:41 AM

Punk is a hundred different things to many people. To me, writing a double album taking in various musical influences instead of carrying on with 3 chord rock songs is pretty damn punk.

**Janszoon** · 09-18-2009, 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by The Monkey

The thing is, I don't see Ramones to be as creative as The Clash, they just sound like a mix of The Beach Boys and New York Dolls. I don't understand how they can be considered an embodiment of punk (nor how their music can be considered punk in the first place).

Well, they're one of the first punk bands. I guess the question is how could they not be considered punk.

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Originally Posted by The Monkey

Punk isn't about not giving a **** about anything, it's the attitude to want to change the world. I don't think the Ramones live up to that part.

I don't know where people get this idea that punk is about wanting to change the world. Of the original punk and protopunk bands I can't think of a single one that was about that.

EmptyMailbox · 09-18-2009, 11:13 AM

Ramones > Clash

everything > sex pistols

storymilo · 09-18-2009, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Janszoon

Well, they're one of the first punk bands. I guess the question is how could they not be considered punk.

I don't know where people get this idea that punk is about wanting to change the world. Of the original punk and protopunk bands I can't think of a single one that was about that.

But pnk has evolved since then. There are different ideals of punk, Ramones obviously don't give a shit, but on the other end of the spectrum The Clash gave a pretty big shit. I would rather listen to bands that are saying things aggressively than saying nothing aggressively.

Rickenbacker · 09-18-2009, 03:27 PM

That's a pretty good point.

Jester · 09-28-2009, 09:48 PM

Why's there so much Sex Pistols hate? Never Mind the Bollocks has so much raw ****ing energy.

wad · 09-28-2009, 11:03 PM

the sex pistols were not punk imo. they had a couple of good songs but i think they were more about the fashion.

DetroitMike · 09-29-2009, 10:35 AM

Definitley the Ramones...if it weren't for them, The Clash would likely have been brit pop anyhow!

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09-18-2009, 11:13 AM	#225 (permalink)
EmptyMailbox Groupie Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 1	Ramones > Clash everything > sex pistols

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DetroitMike Groupie Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Detroit, MI Posts: 20	Definitley the Ramones...if it weren't for them, The Clash would likely have been brit pop anyhow!