SBWNik

The Ramones - barely musical shouty stuff.
The Clash - Intelligent lyrics played by reasonably talented musicians.
The Sex Pistols - Punks first boy band, all hype and image, but sod all talent.

Got to be The Clash really, hasn't it?


(Though I'd have gone for The Dead Kennedys given the option...)

Janszoon

Shouty? Whether you like the Ramones or not, I don't really see how that's a word that could be used to describe their style.

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Urban Hat€monger ?

Not another Clash fan with Bernie Rhodes myopia.

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SBWNik

Not me, I'd rather listen to several other punk bands - SLF, Dead Kennedys, Exploited, Anti-Nowhere League, Siouxsie & The Banshees, The Damned - before The Clash, but their impact on the political side of punk can hardly be ignored.
The Ramones? Barely understandable lyrics and a three chord thrash. They may have been in there early - earlier than The Clash - but that doesn't stop them from being pretty overrated. The Sex Pistols? All hype, put together by a shrewd business man with an eye for popular culture. Look at 'The Great Rock & Roll Swindle'. The lessons in that film are a pretty accurate depiction of how he made the Pistols popular. With unwitting help from Bill Grundy of course.

Urban Hat€monger ?

The Great Rock & Roll Swindle?

We're using that pile of McLaren egowank as historical fact now?

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Didn't know Malcolm McLaren had an MB account.

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SBWNik

Compare the Pistols history with R&RS and then come back and tell me that it's not the same template. I'm not suggesting that the film is actually based too solidly around the bands history, but the lessons 'taught' tie in pretty much with the band and the red haired tosspots rise to fame.
I'd suggest that much (if not all) was written with the power of being able to retrospectively analyse the SP's rise to be Britains most famous punk band, but that doesn't stop the lessons from being accurate, nor does it stop other bands from following that template and using it with lesser or greater degrees of success.
The problem these days is that people can see through McLaren better than they did then, and as a result tend to take anything he says with a pinch of salt. That doesn't stop from having successfully manufactured the arguably biggest band of the late 70s, does it?

kurapika

The Clash or The Ramones?

I pick Dead Kennedys

jacklovezhimself

I feel so stupid visiting this thread again and seeing I voted Ramones over Clash...

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Sansa Stark

The Dead Kennedys came after though

so that's pretty dumb