Ramones vs. The Clash (lyrics, punk, favorite band, The Ramones, sex pistols)

Vancouver · 01-29-2010, 04:31 PM

I didn't see and still don't see a connection between their sound or image...Im guess Im trying to say The Pistols invented the
politics in it...am I making any sense?

**Janszoon** · 01-29-2010, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Vancouver

I didn't see and still don't see a connection between their sound or image...Im guess Im trying to say The Pistols invented the politics in it...am I making any sense?

I don't know if the Sex Pistols "invented the politics in it" (most likely not) but they weren't one of the first punk bands so it's pretty hard to claim that they have any kind of monopoly on defining the fundamentals of punk.

Vancouver · 01-29-2010, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Janszoon

What are you talking about?

I'm trying to say I don't know how much influence they had on the Pistols..that's all.

**Janszoon** · 01-29-2010, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Vancouver

I'm trying to say I don't know how much influence they had on the Pistols..that's all.

Here's your answer: they, along with several other NYC punk bands, had a lot of influence on the Sex Pistols.

Vancouver · 01-29-2010, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Janszoon

Here's your answer: they, along with several other NYC punk bands, had a lot of influence on the Sex Pistols.

yes I'm aware, but the end result was REALLY different than anything going on in the USA. So it's the level of influence we disagree on...

Urban Hat€monger ? · 01-30-2010, 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Janszoon

Here's your answer: they, along with several other NYC punk bands, had a lot of influence on the Sex Pistols.

It's also a vastly overstated influence.

Sure Steve Jones was into the New York Dolls but he was just as much into Bowie & Roxy Music.
Lydon hated all the New York stuff, he was into Alice Cooper, Can & Hawkwind.

People overstate the New York influence far too much.

Neapolitan · 01-30-2010, 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Urban Hatemonger

It's also a vastly overstated influence.

Sure Steve Jones was into the New York Dolls but he was just as much into Bowie & Roxy Music.
Lydon hated all the New York stuff, he was into Alice Cooper, Can & Hawkwind.

People overstate the New York influence far too much.

I see it as Punk having two different pools of influence on either side of the Atlantic. There is a thread of influence that runs from Frat Rock into Garage Rock into Punk the inbetween Garage and punk became to be known as "Proto-Punk" - a retronym. Acid Rock and Glam Rock has some influnce too, one thread of influence not mention is from Dick Dale, Surf Rock, The Ramones were influenced by the Beach Boys and they in turned were influnced by Dick Dale. Johnny Ramone began as a bass player then switch to guitar, and played his guitar similar to playing bass where he played 5th chords in I IV V progression. imo The Ramones really had the classic Punk sound (they innovated it and kept it where other bands it was a passing thing.)

**Janszoon** · 01-31-2010, 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Urban Hatemonger

It's also a vastly overstated influence.

Sure Steve Jones was into the New York Dolls but he was just as much into Bowie & Roxy Music.
Lydon hated all the New York stuff, he was into Alice Cooper, Can & Hawkwind.

People overstate the New York influence far too much.

I know you think that but I disagree. The Sex Pistols sounded a hell of a lot more like the NYC bands than Bowie, Roxy Music, Alice Cooper, Can and Hawkwind. The connection is pretty obvious to me and I think people downplay the NYC influence too much.

Urban Hat€monger ? · 01-31-2010, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Janszoon

I know you think that but I disagree. The Sex Pistols sounded a hell of a lot more like the NYC bands than Bowie, Roxy Music, Alice Cooper, Can and Hawkwind. The connection is pretty obvious to me and I think people downplay the NYC influence too much.

If anything it owes more to Detroit than New York.

Vancouver · 01-29-2010, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Janszoon

I don't know if the Sex Pistols "invented the politics in it" (most likely not) but they weren't one of the first punk bands so it's pretty hard to claim that they have any kind of monopoly on defining the fundamentals of punk.

People could argue about who started it all day I'm sure. The Saints ... Stranded ..etc..but that was one song. Velvet Underground ya ya..The Dolls.

However what I consider punk (which isn't saying anything) was them. Nothing before that to me was. I'm not in the majority I know. Some before them sounded more punk than others. Some I can't get how they get the label.

It felt like punk to me, sounded like punk, smelled like punk. Pere Ubu, Blondie, Television etc..sounded new to me...just not punk.

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Vancouver Music Addict Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 188	I didn't see and still don't see a connection between their sound or image...Im guess Im trying to say The Pistols invented the politics in it...am I making any sense?