Mikael

I got jumped by two highschoolers in 8th grade for wearing a Green Day t-shirt I bought at hot topic and not knowing who Dead Kennedy's were. Called me f@g and poseur and all that and when I went home I spent an hour reading the punk article on wikipedia. Things went from there and I'm not at all proud of that... but American Idiot is still a good album imo.

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"Wouldn't you rather your kid be a drug dealer than a drug addict?" John Waters.

Alfred

American Idiot slays... kids can be so cruel.

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zuluh

The Devil Wears Prada isn't good, they're not even hardcore.. Metalcore at even the lightest, most people don't seem to understand the more modern "hardcore" bands lie within the more melodic scene.

This is Hell, It Prevails, Have Heart, Shai Hulud, Life in your Way, stuff like that really brings it back towards the "older days" fast pace, but let melodies thrown in. Madball / Terror?

Though I absolutely love Have Heart, and they really are the epitome of any ever living "hardcore" alive..

I mean some may disagree, but to each his own?

Togglez

Dude, you totally misread that post. And secondly almost all of those bands you just mentioned are the ones killing the hell out of whats left of the hardcore scene today.

Thirdly, you're being dum if you really think Prada is bad.. They produced 2 legitimately talented albums before turning to crap. And yes I know they're not hardcore. They're metalcore. But still, you don't have room to talk down on them if you promote those pseudo-hardcore bands. Just saying

zuluh

Oh you.. Pseudo hardcore bands making yet breaking this scene at the same time. No there's no equivalent of the Blackflag / Agnostic Front aspects of hardcore, where this band replicates nothing of the "hardcore" genre, maybe the new age hardcore with inclinations of breakdowns, and everything so they get thrown in to a genre that's completely irrelevant, they put their genre of something they're definitely not.. And I'm not saying all the bands I listed are any way shape in form relatively "OLDSCHOOL" Hardcore, but they show more merit with the slower guitar work, and the more simpler chords over well.. Trying to splashy, and new with their high pitched cleans moving into some generic sounding piano catastrophe.

Some of it sounds good, but using prada as an example as "hardcore"( and deeming it a band that's not killing the hardcore scene) is well misplaced, so I'll direct this as a misinterpretation of it being deemed "hardcore".

It doesn't fit, it doesn't belong it's not, it will never be it..

We can agree on that..

Togglez

zuluh, You're not reading these posts very carefully..

This whole time, we've been saying Prada is not hardcore. So we've been kind of agreeing about this all along.

And "new-wave" hardcore bands like Have Heart, are really behind on what most decent hardcore bands are doing today. Have Heart and the like are the closest thing you can get to being a metalcore band while still being able to say that they have more structured hardcore roots. Which isn't saying much.

They've got the metalcore melodies, the screams, and many now are starting to incorporate breakdowns. All they're missing is the whiny clean vox, and maybe some synth for good measure. Add those things and we'd have ourselves a pretty decent metalcore band.

Try something like The Effort.

zuluh

Have Heart is nothing of the metal-core branch..

Kasai

Verse. Bane. Champion.

Also a Norwegian band called Death is Not Glamorous, I kind of know the frontman which makes it better

dischord

DS-13. Total Fury. Gross Negligence. D.E.A. Conga Fury. Los Crudos. Limp Wrist.... to name a few, somewhat modern real hardcore bands.

Devil Wears Prada? Really? Why is that even in a discussion about hardcore?

Bullium

Hatebreed