Are Punk Sub-Genres Needed?

kouki · 10-17-2009, 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by tgpo

I think high level genres are useful. Rock, Rap, Classical, Pop. It allows us to easily filter music on radio, looking through CDs at the store, searching for music to listen to in our music players, etc.

But I feel that sub-genres have reached the level of absurdity. Mathcore is a sub-genre to a fusion-genre. I'm sure there are examples of even deeper genres that exist.

Do these genres help us any more than the band name itself at this point?

Thanks.

I totally agree with you.One or two sub genres is cool,but theyre just going overboard.WTF is mathcore? Bands that sing about how math is cool? Jeez.

almauro · 10-17-2009, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by kouki

WTF is mathcore? Bands that sing about how math is cool? Jeez.

Have you ever heard of The Dillinger Escape Plan?

mr dave · 10-17-2009, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by kouki

I totally agree with you.One or two sub genres is cool,but theyre just going overboard.WTF is mathcore? Bands that sing about how math is cool? Jeez.

mathcore is a derivative of rock where nerds spend a bunch of time figuring out how different time signatures overlap so basically every instrument is playing a unique rhythm and speed that still has moments of cohesion when the formula cycles.

BTown · 10-17-2009, 04:14 PM

In the grand scheme of things genres are necessary, there are genres for everything everywhere you look.
Some genre just don't make sense, for example, Choking Victim is considered Crust Punk and Skacore/(in there eyes) Crack Rock Steady.
Crust Punk is essentially that Stza and the other bands members choose to live; hard drugs and squatting.
I think this is very unnecessary to classify someones music due to there lifestyle they choose to live. I think just calling a Stza and the other band members "Crusties' would do them justice.
Skate Punk is for the most part that skaters listen to, they aren't many qualities about it that differ from other generes. There's a lot of Pop-Punk, Hardcore, and thrashcore that fit into that sub genre, so I see no need to create skate punk as a sub genre due to the fact it is pretty broad (not saying broad genres are bad). I don't know what I'm getting at, it sounded better in my head.

It would be very hard to eliminate sub genres because people are always going to be putting things into categories.

~~someonecompletelyrandom~~ · 10-17-2009, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by mr dave

mathcore is a derivative of rock where nerds spend a bunch of time figuring out how different time signatures overlap so basically every instrument is playing a unique rhythm and speed that still has moments of cohesion when the formula cycles.

It also happens to be awesome.

mr dave · 10-17-2009, 11:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Conan

It also happens to be awesome.

i didn't say it wasn't awesome, just what it was hahah

!Blink! · 10-19-2009, 05:53 PM

I would say yes, only becuase Cartel and Blink182 are both consitered "punk" by many people [this is arguable] ... but they are tottaly different.

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Originally Posted by tgpo

Do you feel punk sub-genres add anything? Do they really make it easier to catalog bands? Are they even needed? Do most people even apply them correctly?

I suppose I can understand a handful of them. Pop-Punk, Horror Punk, Hardcore, etc. Fusion genres make since to have their own sub-genre. But Street punk, skate punk, garage punk. Do these labels actually add any value?

What are your thoughts?

tgpo · 10-19-2009, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by !Blink!

I would say yes, only becuase Cartel and Blink182 are both consitered "punk" by many people [this is arguable] ... but they are tottaly different.

I'd never heard of Cartel before, so I checked them out. After listening to them I think they and Blink 182 fit well together. They're both pop bands. So no need for a sub-genre.

mr dave · 10-19-2009, 06:07 PM

the only time a subgenre really matters is when money is changing hands.

tgpo · 10-19-2009, 06:13 PM

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the only time a subgenre really matters is when money is changing hands.

It's true. People always ask their hooker what sub-genre they listen to before they pay.

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BTown super cool Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Pittsburgh Posts: 806	In the grand scheme of things genres are necessary, there are genres for everything everywhere you look. Some genre just don't make sense, for example, Choking Victim is considered Crust Punk and Skacore/(in there eyes) Crack Rock Steady. Crust Punk is essentially that Stza and the other bands members choose to live; hard drugs and squatting. I think this is very unnecessary to classify someones music due to there lifestyle they choose to live. I think just calling a Stza and the other band members "Crusties' would do them justice. Skate Punk is for the most part that skaters listen to, they aren't many qualities about it that differ from other generes. There's a lot of Pop-Punk, Hardcore, and thrashcore that fit into that sub genre, so I see no need to create skate punk as a sub genre due to the fact it is pretty broad (not saying broad genres are bad). I don't know what I'm getting at, it sounded better in my head. It would be very hard to eliminate sub genres because people are always going to be putting things into categories. __________________