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Old 08-01-2011, 10:50 AM   #171 (permalink)
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I think E&TB from Crocodile up to Ocean Rain are right up there with the absolute pinnacle of post-punk.
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Old 08-01-2011, 08:18 PM   #172 (permalink)
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^^I'd like to think Ocean Rain as more of a pop album

Crocodile until Porcupine, really
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Old 08-01-2011, 09:04 PM   #173 (permalink)
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Ocean Rain is post-punk. With its whole dark, orchestral and stormy sound it clearly tips its hat to the Gothic rock that was prevalent throughout the early to mid-80s. Post-punk doesn't have a clear, identifiable sound, it consists of various divergent movements and sounds that sprouted and evolved from the original punk movement. E&TB started out sounding one way and developed with each album, but OR is still based on a sound that originated in the experimental punk aftermath. If post-punk can be applied to bands like Breathless, This Mortal Coil, and Lowlife, then it definitely covers Ocean Rain.

But fuck it, one thing this thread has shown is the difficulty implicit in terming what is and isn't post-punk.
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i seem to associate post-punk with the monotonal drum beat, repeated doomy bass and jarring guitar chords
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Old 08-01-2011, 09:12 PM   #175 (permalink)
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Yeah that's one path it took, but as it developed it also went down Gothic, Industrial, and 'alternative' routes. Genres as diverse as Disco, Funk, Krautrock and Dub were all incorporated into the music being made as musicians sought to experiment with the original punk ethos.

It's all so broad and varied, and a bit of a headache.
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Old 08-01-2011, 09:18 PM   #176 (permalink)
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Agreed... The Cardiacs are considered to be art punk/post-punk, and they don't sound anything like you would typically expect from the genre. The same can be said about This Heat and some of the No Wave bands.
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Old 08-01-2011, 09:21 PM   #177 (permalink)
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Cardiacs are freaking awesome, and from my home town. Probably the only reason to be proud of Kingston. They were labelled 'pronk' (progressive punk) by some stupid journalists in the late 70s.
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Old 08-01-2011, 09:23 PM   #178 (permalink)
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Seriously? Have you ever met them or seen them live?
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Old 08-01-2011, 09:27 PM   #179 (permalink)
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Yeah I saw them twice at a venue called the Fighting Cocks that they used to frequent before Tim Smith had his health problems. There was a benefit show last month for him that I went to, Wizards of Twiddly were there.

I've spoken to Jim Smith very briefly, he was a bit odd but I kind of expected that. Tim was far too intimidating to approach haha.
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