Angry that bleeding hearts ignore the cultural and technological advancements which daily improve the life of billions?

Angry Aryans aren't NAZIs. On the album they're clearly pictured wearing shirts emblazoned with the Creativity Movement (formerly World Church of the Creator).... aside from the unusual viewpoint on Jews, the group's views on race aren't all that unusual. If you feel like an Oprah Bookclub selection, read the Poisonwood Bible - a similar theological argument is explained in brief in that book.

The Angry Aryans demonstrate a reasonable amount of proficiency with their instruments. Crass most certainly do not.

The lyrics don't both me because, while I'm not a racist, I am decidedly against Liberalism.

this is acceptable and culturally advanced music??!?!!!

That was an example of why hip hop bunnies argument is retarded.

...the music insults and degrades people, and people get offended..no sh*t...but then he calls people close-minded sheep for being offended.

..That offensiveness overides any musical proficiency they might have or how prettily they put their words together. It would be the same as a really talented cellist calling your mother a whore while performing.

Actually, I think that just screaming out "YOUR MOM IS A WHORE" in the middle of an otherwise peaceful piece would be epic win.
But I see nothing that indicates that the Angry Aryans are satirical, and therefore they're lyrics are apparently ****.

I also don't think that they're a very good band. I absolutely hate their singing. They're other musicians aren't half bad. They're songwriting is pretty generic stuff though, haven't seen anything really interesting so far in the songs I've been watching as I've been writing this. Decent breakdown at the end of "Advocation of Violence". "Still Just a ******" just plain old sucks. "Extinction is Forever" is probably the most interesting of their songs I've heard so far.
But that is not enough to make up for their lyrics.

YouTube - Right.org Contest:"No More Bailouts" performed by the ... is an example of a much more intelligent and musically interesting right-wing punk voice, although I still disagree with it's message.
Just to tell you... it's not all that punk. Maybe more like Greenday stuff.

Well, to clarify, I don't think anybody who is White has a legitimate reason to get upset over a band being racist.

It's more like a really talented cellist calling someone else's mother a whore. It's not my mom, it's not my friends mom, so I don't care.

Even if it insults my own family?

I find it mildly amusing that this band is still being defended.

I can't stop them from making it, but this is one band I sure as hell would be majorly pissed off about if I was a father and caught my kid listening to it.

This kind of music makes your everyday white racist look even more dumb than they are.

I know a lot of non-white people and I don't harbor that kind of animosity towards them, and I think anyone that does is an a*s hole...I think that's a legitimate reason.

The Hip Hop Bunny already answered this question: No, he does not give a fuck about your family. He only cares about his own family. Actually that's an assumption. His own family may have turned him into a violent xenophobe in the first place. Maybe he hates them for it and that's why he likes to stomp on hippies. Who knows? All I can say is that unless I see the Hip Hop Bunny or his friends stomping on hippies simply because hippies endorse liberalism (in which case the Bunny and Co. would become the stompees rather than the stompers) I will ignore him.

To be honest I think you're letting him get off with that analogy because it's not the same thing at all.
Try this for size....

Imagine a talented cellist playing a gig to a bunch of pissed up thugs spoiling for a fight where he continually incites hatred & violence to his mother for no other reason that because of who she is and because she was born that way.
And said mother just happens to be across the street outside the gig minding her own business unaware that at kicking out time at the venue she'll probably be subjected to hatred & violence due to the pissed up hoards leaving the gig.

There's the truth of your analogy.

This is the stupidest **** I've ever heard. Racist, anti-semitic bigots need not play music. They already spread their stupidity and bull**** other ways.

Ugh... Reading through people's opinions in this thread and I'm disappointed in a lot of people's opinions, they strike me as close-minded.

I say the political views of a band shouldn't matter. Sure, they can be a part of what makes that band them, or be something recognizable in a genre. But I don't like looking at it as a standard.

Most of the time when I think of punk, I think of loud, passionate and fast music that tends to have anti-establishment, individualistic and DIY views. If a band comes along and has a quality that differs from that set of associations, I don't see why it shouldn't be considered punk, because it's not like you can prove that "true punk" has to have any of those qualities. I guess you could call it "punk with right wing political views," if you want to describe what it's like.

I agree with this. People try so hard to fit genres and labels ect but Punk is more about the sound to me than the attitude. At least in most cases. Of course, I'm not the biggest expert on punk so I'm sure I couldn't back up much that I say about it.
Just love my Clash.

I don't care about political views. But bigotry, racism, and hatred towards certain people is just ridiculous. That is not at all in the spirit of punk.

Agreed.

I find myself feeling like a bit of a hypocrite posting the things I have in this thread...and I struggle to find the right argument to get my point across.

Music should be an honest and free expression of the artist, but I can't support racist music. I can't seem to put it into words just the way I want to, but I find singing about mystical "evil" and devil worshiping to be completely different from singing about beating someone of a different ethnicity. The difference being, if someone went out to worship the devil...whatever. If you believe in hell, fine. They are still not hurting anyone else.

Someone could leave a show by the Angry Aryans and actually go and try to find someone to beat the **** out of, which has been known to happen after shows with music like that. This is not what music should be.

See, now, you seem to be getting to some substance.

You're claiming that the music which espouses violent anti-social behavior will cause the listeners to commit violent anti-social behavior.

Now, unless you think this effect is limited to musicians with a racist bent, why should an underground band advocating racist violence be of special concern when there are mainstream groups advocating general violence?

who are you to say what music should or should not be?
that sounds like something an older person would've said when punk was formulating.

when did true punk music become not about pushing boundaries and being unacceptable to the general populace?

if some ****ers want to start a nazi punk band then they can, and its music; whether it should be or shouldn't be doesn't even enter into it. if you have a problem with it then oppose them. opposition against something is a fundamental aspect of punk music/aesthetic. at least in my understanding of it. if you don't think so i'd be glad to hear your what you think.

That is, in a nutshell, exactly what I am doing.

I know how I sound, too. I know I can't stop music like this from being made. Either way, I'm against it and I'm going to stand behind that stance. Yes, one thing I can actually agree with when it comes to the older generation is that if music is going to inspire any real violence, it should not be made. If any skinhead ever heard this and got so pumped up he went outside and booted some poor minority on the street after the show, then yes, that music was a cause.

It can be about the attitude. It depends on the individual. For some people, they like their punk with a certain attitude. Some like the style, ect.

Or in duga's case, racism or bigotry in music ruins it for him. That's why it's subjective.

Regarding violent attitudes and lyrical content, it really depends on how it's being expressed.

For example, a lot of metal bands have violent or disturbing lyrics. I know that many of them aren't actually going to go out and do those things, they are just expressing a human emotion we can all relate to: anger.

Although there are exceptions. I'm sure a band that calls themselves "right wing punk" actually agrees with the right wing themes expressed in their lyrics.

Advocating it? or singing about it.

There is a difference.

And I don't consider them a 'special concern'. I just took one look at the song titles and that was enough to put me off.

I'm not concerned about them in the slightest. Most reasonable people will see it for the ridiculous rubbish that it is.

Nobody here is asking for the Angry Aryans to be censored or think they don't have the right to their opinion....they just think their brand of music is retarded and offensive.

I still say that being offended is a choice. I think its ridiculous for some white kid to clain to be offended by racial remarks against blacks. Also, how can another persons opinion offend you? I dont get that. I dont support racism of any kind and Im not taking up for this band, Ive actually never listened to them, but they dont offend me in the slightest. Also, have you ever listened to rap lyrics. They call themselves by the same names that this punk band uses and alot of time they talk negativley about whites. Does that offend anyone?

Dude....I don't see them as "blacks", I see them as people that the Angry Aryans are dehumanizing and directing violence towards. I dislike hate and violence directed towards pretty much anyone regardless of their race, sexual orientation, or political views. Because the violence is not directed at me, I am supposed to completely disregard it?
I don't like the Angry Aryans and I don't really listen to rap religeously. Some may talk negatively about whites, but I don't really care. I don't listen to it and I don't listen to music that I feel is dehumanizing and dumb.
Also, why is rasist (NAZI!!!!!!) punk being discussed in the right-wing punk thread? I'm liberal and a dick about it but its insulting to the right wing to put it in the same category as the fucking Nazis.

Words by themselves are meaningless, but the context is important. Black people can use those words because they're black themselves, and they probably don't mean it in a derogatory sense. A band that calls themselves the Angry Aryans probably does. Anyone who can't spot the difference is retarded.(If whites were a minority, I'd feel a bit more threatened by the anti-white stuff).

Is the very real fear of seeing a family member in hospital due to someone expressing hateful words a choice too?
I'm not offended by someone's opinion. I'm concerned about the effect they have on weak minded thugs looking for a fight.
Well that's good, but then I guess you have nothing to fear from the crap they spout.
I do however and that's why i'm concerned.

It doesn't offend me no, but that's not to say it's right.

To say that you might be more concerned with rap lyrics if whites were a minority is bizarre. Racism is racism. No matter where it comes from or what group its directed towards. I dont listen to this particular band. Not because they offend me but I just have no interest in listening to those types of lyrics. The same reason i dont listen to certain rap music. Im just curious as to why there is so much concern over one group who spouts racism toward blacks but zero concern over the many many rap groups that spout racism toward whites? Why does there seem to be this "double standard"? Is it ok to entice violence against a group of people only if they are a majority?

As much as people these days would love to take themselves out of a historical perspective, it is impossible to do so. The days of inequality are over? Maybe comparatively, but certainly not absolutely. The Civil Rights movement was no less than around 50 years ago, and that may seem like a long time at first glance, but when you really think about it, a lot of our parents were alive during this time.

I don't agree with racism of any kind...including from a minority. However, racism in rap music is tolerated a lot more because - let's face it - whites were kind of huge ****s to them. Is it a double standard? Yes. One day it might be gone, but it will take time.

I dunno, anything that genuine promotes whte supremacy, racism, or bigoted views and MEANS it sincerely, I'd put a freaking hammer to every darn copy of it I could find... bye bye Ipod, nazi boy!

Freedom of speech should always carry the caveat... " unless you're views are f u c king deranged and harmful.

Freedom of speech should not carry any caveat. In fact, I would say people that have these views should be encouraged to spout them often and loudly. That way we know who the idiots are. Thats the big problem with political correctness. It doesnt change anyones views or opinions, it just teaches them to hide them. I dont want them to hide them. If I have a neighbor who holds racist view points I would like to know that as soon as possible that way i dont have them over for dinner or have my kids at their house for year or more before I find out about these views.

I can agree with this 100%. Good point.

That's horse****. No African-American has any right to bitch about "historical inequality" - their ancestors plight has benefitted them a thousand fold. Because of slavery they were born in a first world country; not some 3rd world hellhole. Add in all the other structural inequalities put into place from a Federal to a local Government level, and African Americans have a plethora of advantages over whites.

Further, "whites" weren't responsible for slavery. Slavery was practiced by a minority of Whites (and Indians, for that matter); of that minority, roughly 50% of slaves were owned by individuals who had over 40 slaves. So any notion of collective racial guilt on the part of whites is asinine.

The notion that we should ignore Black racists but crucify white racists is idiotic. Not only is racism more prevalent in the african american community, but african americans are far more violent as well. Meaning, blacks commit more hate crimes on whites than the other way around.

Lastly, the reason whites tolerate black racism is because Liberals lack a spine. The ****ing President is a black man, and yet most hold the notion that White racism is a problem. Morons.

So what exactly are you trying to imply here?
That the ****ing president is racist towards his own mother?

Don't be sensationalist. I'm simply pointing out that the era of the "white man" oppressing the black man is over, that there are so few white racists that a white majority country elected a black man president. (EDIT) So, to take it further, that the African American communty's numerous problems aren't a result of white racism, but are a result of their own failings.

I'm not fully in agreement with it, but this is actually one hell of a post...

I can't count the number of times I've read or heard rationalizations nearly identical to this from raging white supremacists. I'm not sure if you really are one or not, but if you aren't you do one hell of a good impression.

Yeah, sounds like something you'd find on stormfront.

he makes a good point besides the "getting to be born in a first world country" part, assuming that fact about who owned slaves is correct - which it wouldn't surprise me if it was.

i don't know how many other european-descent north americans feel the same way as me, because it all depends on your personal history, but i am very offended by the reverse racism that is implicitly directed upon me because of my skin colour. its okay for first nations/inuit/native americans/afroamericans to use the term "white man," "white man's religion," etc, but the reverse is intolerably racist. for me, my father was born in scotland and my mother was the first on her side to be born in canada. my personal heritage has fuck all to do with colonizing anyone or owning any slaves, and i'm supposed to feel guilty for what happened centuries ago, just because historically people from my ethnic background did some horrible shit? if that's not racist i don't know what is.

i'm sure this is true for others as well.

right wing punk is a oxymoron, i think, lol

I suppose we are now in an American 'era' when a minority of white racists who would like to see the "black man" oppressed can't get satisfaction only because that is not the norm anymore. So now, white racists get to be indignant and self righteous because they are the oppressed minority. Ironic, eh?
Oh, and check out your edit again: It's fucking sensationalist.

And, hey, aren't we talking about punk rock here? Do you know of any white racist bands who make a more cogent argument for white supremacy than you have been able to make on this thread? I don't.