right wing punk?

Alfred · 01-21-2010, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by indietrash3

I'm not going to listen to a band whose social politics/religion/moral code/anything isn't the same as mine

Lol, if I went by this, I'd probably only be a fan of like ten bands.

Urban Hat€monger ? · 01-21-2010, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by duga

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punk gained popularity through its politics. especially left-wing (oh god i hate saying left and right wing) "politics". i just think punk celebrating the government is a paradox...i don't know how else i would describe it other than listening to it would severely upset me.

its like christian death metal...sure you CAN do it...but why?

The whole punk era actually started protesting against the policies of a left wing government.

Johnny_Rotter · 01-22-2010, 01:12 AM

I actually dig the Special Duties song it rocks, too bad their career got ruined by taking a stand against a BS band like Crass.

TheBig3 · 01-22-2010, 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by duga

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punk gained popularity through its politics. especially left-wing (oh god i hate saying left and right wing) "politics". i just think punk celebrating the government is a paradox...i don't know how else i would describe it other than listening to it would severely upset me.

its like christian death metal...sure you CAN do it...but why?

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Originally Posted by Urban Hatemonger

The whole punk era actually started protesting against the policies of a left wing government.

heeeeeere's the thread.

Should Punk have an ideological starting point that it works from? Is minimalism that base? is the DIY ethic that so permeates the genre the political equivelent of independance, freedom, or non-intervensionist governemnt? Is the ragged every-man image a stance on the struggle between the filth at the bottom and the rot at the top?

I think this is one of the more interesting threads on the boards in awhile, even as I'd hope that politic and policy remain largely outside of the discussion.

Can punk ever agree with something? or does it work anathma to any going trend. Assuming of course that whatever politicans are doing is screwing the little guy.

The Monkey · 01-22-2010, 11:22 AM

I think a central ingredient in punk is anti-establishment sentiments. I suppose one could have a conservative perspective of this by saying that the government is the establishment and advocating less government intervention in the market. However, that fails to take into account that the Laissez-faire approach that most conservatives advocates produces another for of establishment, that of big businesses, which may help to further advance economic and social inequalities. That is why I have hard to respect conservative punk.

TheBig3 · 01-22-2010, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by The Monkey

I think a central ingredient in punk is anti-establishment sentiments. I suppose one could have a conservative perspective of this by saying that the government is the establishment and advocating less government intervention in the market. However, that fails to take into account that the Laissez-faire approach that most conservatives advocates produces another for of establishment, that of big businesses, which may help to further advance economic and social inequalities. That is why I have hard to respect conservative punk.

Was that supposed to be a "hard time"

Urban Hat€monger ? · 01-22-2010, 11:33 AM

I didn't understand any of that apart from the unintentional knob gag.

Violent & Funky · 01-22-2010, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by The Monkey

I think a central ingredient in punk is anti-establishment sentiments. I suppose one could have a conservative perspective of this by saying that the government is the establishment and advocating less government intervention in the market. However, that fails to take into account that the Laissez-faire approach that most conservatives advocates produces another for of establishment, that of big businesses, which may help to further advance economic and social inequalities. That is why I have hard to respect conservative punk.

Why does A have to lead to B?

million dollar basher · 01-22-2010, 12:21 PM

I've seen quite a few posts suggesting that punk artists tend to lean left, at least for the most part, and I disagree with some confidence. Some may claim that they endorse and embrace leftist ideology, but isn't one of the most prominent themes in punk the incompetent and sinister nature of government and the forces that try to stifle creativity and individualism? Though right-wingers tend to sympathize with this view, it's an issue that really crosses party lines, isn't it? I think that punk music, by and large, is a medium that, theoretically, allows artists to demonstrate social ills and injustice wherever they may find it. It(punk) does not, or should not rather, adhere to a set of strict political views. At that point it ceases to be punk, which is in all rights a very individualist movement. In fact, at that point it ceases to be music, or an abstract expression of anything other than some sad brand of politics. Personally, I think this thread is self-defeating.

hip hop bunny hop · 01-22-2010, 12:36 PM

Let me clarify something,

One of the biggest problems I see with overly politically leftist punk is that the performers aren't singing about issues that directly affect them. Why are white kids screaming about racism? Why are human beings talking about the plight of animals some farm out in the country? Why are some straight guys complaining about sexism and "heteronormism"? Why not, instead, sing about issues which directly affect them?

...add to that the _vast_ majority of the performers were white, born in an advanced Western nation, and I have hard time believing their proclaimed politics is just a gimmick.

01-22-2010, 11:33 AM	#17 (permalink)
Urban Hat€monger ? The Sexual Intellectual Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Somewhere cooler than you Posts: 18,605	I didn't understand any of that apart from the unintentional knob gag. __________________ Urb's RYM Stuff Most people sell their soul to the devil, but the devil sells his soul to Nick Cave.

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Johnny_Rotter Music Addict Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 15	I actually dig the Special Duties song it rocks, too bad their career got ruined by taking a stand against a BS band like Crass.

01-22-2010, 11:22 AM	#15 (permalink)
The Monkey Music Addict Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Sweden Posts: 803	I think a central ingredient in punk is anti-establishment sentiments. I suppose one could have a conservative perspective of this by saying that the government is the establishment and advocating less government intervention in the market. However, that fails to take into account that the Laissez-faire approach that most conservatives advocates produces another for of establishment, that of big businesses, which may help to further advance economic and social inequalities. That is why I have hard to respect conservative punk.

01-22-2010, 12:21 PM	#19 (permalink)
million dollar basher Music Addict Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: trapped in a basement Posts: 184	I've seen quite a few posts suggesting that punk artists tend to lean left, at least for the most part, and I disagree with some confidence. Some may claim that they endorse and embrace leftist ideology, but isn't one of the most prominent themes in punk the incompetent and sinister nature of government and the forces that try to stifle creativity and individualism? Though right-wingers tend to sympathize with this view, it's an issue that really crosses party lines, isn't it? I think that punk music, by and large, is a medium that, theoretically, allows artists to demonstrate social ills and injustice wherever they may find it. It(punk) does not, or should not rather, adhere to a set of strict political views. At that point it ceases to be punk, which is in all rights a very individualist movement. In fact, at that point it ceases to be music, or an abstract expression of anything other than some sad brand of politics. Personally, I think this thread is self-defeating.

01-22-2010, 12:36 PM	#20 (permalink)
hip hop bunny hop Music Addict Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 1,381	Let me clarify something, One of the biggest problems I see with overly politically leftist punk is that the performers aren't singing about issues that directly affect them. Why are white kids screaming about racism? Why are human beings talking about the plight of animals some farm out in the country? Why are some straight guys complaining about sexism and "heteronormism"? Why not, instead, sing about issues which directly affect them? ...add to that the _vast_ majority of the performers were white, born in an advanced Western nation, and I have hard time believing their proclaimed politics is just a gimmick.