Riot Grrrl!
 

Riot grrrl was an underground feminist punk movement based in Olympia, Washington, which existed in the early to mid-1990s, and it is often associated with third-wave feminism

I love riot grrrl bands one of my all time favourites is bikini kill. What's yours?

Bikini Kill sucks

That's your own personal opinion But i think they are one of the best riot grrrl bands I could listen to their albums over and over again .

Yeah

Bikini Kill are crap, Kathleen Hanna is a twat

OKay that's cool i don't care . I never asked you for your opinion now did i ?

making a thread about riot grrl = asking for people to post their opinions in the form of replies.

I simply asked what your FAVOURITE riot grrl band was
Yes you said bikini kill sucked but that was not the question lol

lmao I know I'm just ****ing with you

Bratmobile was the only worthy Riot Grrl band imo

Yes Yes Bratmobile is another one of my favourites. Favourite song by them?

I love Icy blue by 7 year bitch and kiss my ass goodbye :)
and Yes It's too late is a good song by them also

I really hate Riot Grrl, because I feel it's like what PETA is to us vegetarians, it makes uss look like ASSHOLES.

Huggy Bear, but that's only because they had a male singer.

Heh heh...I like seeing him dance around and singing in this video: YouTube - Huggy Bear "Feb. 14th".

Sheep-Squeak, I haven't listened to many songs by the various Riot Grrrl movement bands, but so far I'd say I like The Butchies, a lesbian queercore band from the late 1990s that Wikipedia, at least, says counts as a Riot Grrrl band. The main singer Kaia Wilson's voice = yum!

The Butchies - "Send Me You"



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The butchies? Hmmm i never heard of them before. I like the song you posted actually lol and I agree with you i like the singers voice XD

And Huggy Bear??? i Only know of one song called no sleep. Its sad how hard it can sometimes to find songs for certain bands these days :(

Has anyone ever heard of the red aunts?

I love 7 Year Bitch. Viva Zapata is a classic. Speaking of Zapata... they're not quite a riot grrrl band but definetly a strong female fronted punk rock group:

The Gits.



Lead singer was raped and killed in Seattle. Really sad.

Here's another song by the Butchies that I like: "Trouble."

Their music is fairly popular-sounding and seems to deal with more interpersonal issues (love, albeit love between women) than social issues but, gosh, I like the sound of their songs! And I love Kaia Wilson's voice....mmmmmmmmm. :) In contrast, with a lot of the more punkier Riot Grrrl music I don't like to actually *listen* to the music because of its abrasive and less melodic sound.

Since women loving women, men loving men, and the breaking down of gender barriers so people are free to be themselves are an important part of feminism, I like that aspect of The Butchies' music. This message seems to be implicit in their music rather than being directly stated (at least in the songs I've heard). The Butchies' activism appears to be of the more subtle variety (at least based on the sound) rather than in-your-face-anger-activism, so their music may appeal to people who are put off by angry lyrics.

I have never heard of the Red Aunts! I'll see what I find out. Their name makes me curious.

The Butchies - "Trouble"

I like the red aunts even though they aren't really a good band haha, they have some songs that i really like.

What are some of your favorites by the red aunts?

The things you see
I can't so anything right
When sugar turns to ****
The vibrator song (i just tihnk its funny a song hehe )
Suerte
Bullet train

A lot of the people i show this band to think they suck LOL I also don't think they are that good but for some reason I listen to them XD

I hate it when people call Red Aunts a riot grrrl band. :(


They were a garage band dammit!

What about the Butchies? They sound more romanticy than rioty to me, since they're singing about being a love monkey in bed and whatnot. I wasn't sure if I could trust Wikipedia when it included the Butchies with the riot grrrl movement.

If they aren't part of the movement, then it's too bad, because I like them.

Lol i never said they were a riot grrrl band i was just asking if anyone has heard of them :P

because you know girl bands/bands with girl singers might have a mention in here too haha i personally think bands with girl singers are fkn bommmb haha

i agree...and a damn good one at that

no self respecting riot grrrl band would have be on Epitaph (sell outs ONLY!!!) or Sympathy For The Record Industry (patriarchal pricks)

did anybody see Terri Wahl (singer/guitar) go up against Iron Chef Bobby Flay in a cupcake throwdown?

Does she win? I ****ing hate Bobby Flay

he is SUCH A DOUCHE

i was looking for it on youtube....

i'm almost positive she kills him with red velvet cupcakes (like 99.8 % sure)

This week I heard for the first time and enjoyed the song "A Girl's Toolbox" by the former duo Tattle Tale.

Wikipedia describes Tattle Tale as "an American musical group that existed between 1992 and 1995. Composed of Jen Wood and Madigan Shive, they were well-known in the Riot Grrrl scene, playing what was later to be termed folk punk."

I definitely like the punk feel of this song and also the lyric, "I've got a hammer, but the nail isn't you. Come with me, we'll build a house tree." I like the constructive rather than destructive feel of the song! I also like that it is so supportive of women's significance. The song feels sweet and forceful to me at the same time.

All their other songs on the "Sew True" album are too soft and willowy for my tastes, but this one...mmm...I like it quite a bit, especially when the energy of the guitar picks up near the middle, at 1:26...yeay! I like the buildup to that moment and the transition very much. I'd give the rest of the album a pass, but this song is a keeper for me:

Tattle Tale - "A Girl's Toolbox" from their album Sew True

Something we agree on. Although the Red Aunts were making music when the riot grrrl scene was gaining attention (I think I saw them live around '91-'92?), they weren't really part of the scene and their influences were different.

Although I very much identify and agree with all the tenets of the riot grrrl movement, I was never a big fan of the music itself. While I'm all for untutored musicians doing their own thing, however they want to do it, that doesn't always mean they're going to make good music that I want to listen to. Sleater-Kinney are probably the only band I enjoy that might be considered part of the riot grrrl scene, although they kind of transcended the genre and DIY stylistic elements of riot grrrl to create something new. I was very sad when they broke up (or went on long-term hiatus, however you want to look at it).

Although I was never a fan of Bikini Kill, I'm a big fan of Kathleen Hannah and share her political mindset and belief system. I know you're young, Paloma, but it's unfortunate that you'd reduce a woman to a body part simply because you don't like her politics, her music or how she presents herself to the media ('twat' is a slang term for vagina, for the uninformed). I can hope you'll one day learn to express yourself with a little more maturity because I'm sure you have many interesting things to say, but for now, your youth and inexperience betray you. Despite my lack of interest in Bikini Kill, I do love most of what Hannah did with Le Tigre; not all, but most. I look forward to seeing what she'll do next.

One of my favorite moments in Le Tigre history: Le Tigre live on Last Call with Carson Daly. Who put the bomp...?!?

lmao, is this real life? You quote an old post of mine just to have an opportunity to condescend to me even further. Oh you're a classy woman, you know? For your info, I call everyone I dislike a "twat", male or female regardless. YOU dehumanise people when you put their GENDER before their ENTIRE PERSON. YOU make that the most important thing about them, which I find to be utterly hilarious! YOU are entirely disrespectful to everyone you try to argue with and take it so ****ing personally when someone doesn't agree with you. You cannot respect anyone else's opinion if it is different from your own. Why does everything have to be vaginacentric with you? You need to put down the Germaine Greer and think with something other than your ovaries.

I didn't refer to anyone as a twat, and have never done, even in my 20s. That was all you, my dear, and it doesn't look pretty on you.

Way to not address my points other than one, you do realise this "dear, honey, sweetie" bull**** makes you sound like someones obnoxious old aunt that's desperate for a pole up her, right? It doesn't make you sound smart, or make you any better than me to condescend, it just makes you look like a twat.

Hello Thirtiesgirl and Paloma,

At first I thought maybe you were both posting about the song, "A Girl's Toolbox," that I posted...the one where the duo Tattle Tale sing, "I have a hammer, but the nail isn't you."

Then I saw you are upset with each other. :(

Thirtiesgirl (and hello, by the way! I've been meaning to say hello to you since you joined), it sounds like you are upset with Paloma calling people twats, which as she knows uses female anatomy as a putdown. Is this right? My guess is that Paloma doesn't mean anything bad about women by using that term. Are you wishing that Paloma would acknowledge the derogatory origin of the putdown, "twat?"

As an aside, I view the word "twat" as being similar to the term "Squaw," used for female Native American Indians, since "Squaw" apparently was the derotagory word for vagina that white people called American Indian women, reducing women to their genitalia. I grew up saying "Squaw" without ever thinking I was being offensive...and now most people have forgotten its original meaning. Similarly, for many people "twat" now just means "jerk."

I agree with you that people calling each other jerks isn't good, just because name-calling is hurtful (if it is intended as such). Also, I think "jerk" maybe came from "jerking off," and appears to be a male term being turned into something bad, which is unfortunate for men since they should have nothing to be ashamed about when they "do the Han Solo!" :D I don't feel bad at all when I "shake hands with my little friend," so why should jerking off be bad?

And Paloma, I see you're upset with feeling condescended to and judged for using whatever words you want to use, plus you feel Thirtiesgirl sees people in terms of gender first. Are these the main issues? You would like her to acknowledge that she is being condescending. My feeling is that she wants all people to be treated with respect, regardless of gender. You want her to treat you respectfully, too.

I decided to jump in fast before someone (TheCunningStunt) sees what's happening and screams, "CHICK FIGHT in the GRRL RIOT THREAD!!!!" :rolleyes:

(Waiting...waiting...) ;)

dick.


just throwing that out there.

quit trolling, pussy.

Ha, I like this post, VEG. Very good.

Here's a video of Bikini Kill playing live in DC in 1992. This was where political punk bands played outside usually for free. I saw Fugazi in this same spot within months of this video. The sound is bad (like Really Bad) at points because of things like it's windy. I think they even say 'twat' at some point

Yes, exactly, Conan. ****. Twat. Equal terms that reduce people to genitalia and sexuality.

Except...my guess is that men were the originators of both terms.

Please research this, Conan, and get back to us, would you? This is your assignment, young feminist grasshopper. And find a Riot Grrrl song that deals with ****s, while you're at it. Is there one?

HEY!!! Dick gets filtered out but twat doesn't!! What's up with that!? Apparently it is okay to use female genitalia as a derogatory term, but not male genitalia? Grrrrrr. See. That IS an example of sexism. Oh, the can of stink you have opened, Conan...

Thank you, Engine! :D

:laughing::rofl: Vegan you crack me up sometimes

Uh oh. It's time for some investigative journalism.

Don't worry, Vegan, "cunt" is still out of bounds.

I understand that for many people, 'twat' is a throwaway word that, as you write, Angelica, they don't think of much differently from 'jerk.' It's unfortunate, because the word is derogatory and not one that should be in common usage. There's no positive application for the word and, as far as I know, no current movement to reclaim the word and repurpose it for a more powerful intent.

It's kind of like when I hear school kids using the phrase "that's so gay" to mean they think something's stupid. They don't mean to make a homophobic remark, but because they're using the term to mean something negative (stupid), the word 'gay' is equated with something negative in their minds, and therefore homophobic.

Yes, I would like all people to be treated with respect, regardless of gender. I'm not going to call people names, as has been done to me on this forum, but I refuse to respect someone's viewpoint if they speak and act disrespectfully to women, regardless of their gender.

Here's the thing, Paloma. You may scoff at third wave feminism and think you're "too cool" for it when there are women being treated as third class citizens and valued solely for their body parts, or prevented from touching them, or using them in any way they see fit in non-western cultures all over the world. In Latin America, too. I'm not ok with that, and one of the ways I work to make a change in that horrible reality is by making people aware of when they're treating women as less than, valuing them only for their physical appearance, rather than appreciating and respecting the whole woman and everything she has to offer. I believe that if we begin to change that paradigm locally, it may eventually have a greater affect globally.

You, on the other hand, are apparently too cool to care, and have therefore earned no respect from me.

Yes.

Am I too cool for third wave feminism?

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That looks like a no. Does my use of common slang contribute to female circumcision? Does it stop when I stop using the word? No, it does not. Deeds speak louder than slang words does. Don't think for one second you are making a difference by haranguing people on an internet forum for their perceived prejudices. You really look like an ******* and because you don't respect people for being human rather than just female, you don't deserve my respect either, especially when you condescend to me. It honestly makes your argument so much less valid when you attempt to wound on a personal level unrelated to the argument. If you really want to make a difference, why don't you go volunteer at a battered women's shelter? You are absolutely absurd for equating a slang term with physically and sexually oppressing women. Get a grip on yourself, you make no movement for your cause (which is admirable) by acting like a ****head. Your hyperbole is the downfall of many admirable causes, and you are the reason why people are so critical of feminism itself.